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  5 August 1974
  NEMO FOR THE RECORD
  SUBJECT Discussions About SRI Performance
  1. At 1030 hrs on 2 August 74 visited the undersigned
  and three broad topics were.discussed:
  a. Results of the OOB Experiment: NPIC photos apparently do not
  support Price's remarks about the derricks, water tower, etc, although prelim-
  inary NPIC examination of the data seems to indicate the possibility of other,
  nearby ambiguous hits; in any case, was to send NPIC all the transcribed
  and his memo specifying what he'd like to have NPIC do in the way of analysis
  and commentary on 2 Aug; he offered to send us a copy and, if appropriate, to
  forward on to NPIC any new or significant suggestions we might make; he also
  offered to have us accompany him when (possibly late in the week of 5 Aug) he
  goes to NPIC for their first read-out; we reaffirmed the need to ensure that
  any similar OOB experiments in the future focused on highly unique, simple
  and uncluttered stimulus fields.
  b. Other Possible Use of NPIC: I mentioned the possibility of
  pursuing a related course with NPIC--that is, testing a number of our self-
  professed staff psychics (and an equal number of staff controls) against NPIC's
  thorniest interpretation problems (i.e., sequential photos in which only the
  very last clearly permits objective judgements about the nature/function of
  site)--and
  SG11
  data SG1
  then compare their 'readings' with those of the best NPIC analysts
  the
  who worked on the orginal case.
  c. SRI's Performance and Reporting: See para 2, below.
        2. ~ ~ asked if Hal or Russ had called and was puzzled when         
                                                                            

  SG11  I said they hadn't since he'd spoken to them about a week earlier   
        and had                                                             
                                                                            

        urged them to call me about some of their data. said that he was    SG11
        under                                                               
                                                                            

        the impression, from them, that they had considerable data collected
        with                                                                
                                                                            

        respect to our task--e.g.: analysis of strobe-light/EEG data (note: 
        possibly of                                                         
                                                                            

        interest but hardly responsive if this is the material from last    
        year); some                                                         
                                                                            

        of the physical exam results on Price (note: really of consequence  
        only when                                                           
                                                                            

        complete and when evaluated against other subjects); some mid-experiment
        instru-                                                             
                                                                            

        mentation data on Price (this would be new, unless its the gradiometer
        data).                                                              
                                                                            

  SG11  I told that, obviously, we can judge the significance and adequacy  
        of the                                                              
                                                                            

        data only when we've seen it and that I hoped they would send it    
        along with their                                                    
                                                                            

        next (1 Aug?) report. He urged me to call them to stress that we    
        wanted to see                                                       
                                                                            

        that data and I told him that: there can't possibly be any doubt    that
        'n their minds                                                      
                                                                            

        we do want to see it; and I'd been studiously avoiding calling them SG11
        because I                                                           
                                                                            

        did7nt want to confuse or harass them. Discussed this later with    SG1
                                                                            I
                                                                            

  and                                                                       
  the                                                                       
  confirmed                                                                    
  my                                                                        
  view;                                                                     
  it                                                                        
  was,                                                                      
  evidently,                                                                    
  again                                                                     
  communicated                                                                    
  to                                                                        
  =                                                                         
  1M                                                                        
                                                                            

  W     b en the former called at 1700 hrs on 2 Aug to see whether          
                                                                            

        I'd made the call. At that time ~ ~ said he thought he'd call SRI   SG11
        just to                                                             
                                                                            

        make sure that they realize we want to see the data in the next report--despite
                                                                            

  SG11  osition to the effect that it would be unfair and unrealistic for   
                                                                            us
                                                                            to
                                                                            impose
                                                                            special
                                                                            reporting
                                                                            requirements
                                                                            on
                                                                            SRI
                                                                            each
                                                                            time
                                                                            they
                                                                            came
                                                                            up
                                                                            with
                                                                            a
                                                                            

  specific piece of data; we'd be quite satisfied if they would merely conform to
  the orginally agreed-upon reporting scheme.
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