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oTs/BAB MEMO 163-75
79 April 1975
S@ 1A MEMORANDUM FOR:
ATTENTION
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SUBJECT Interview with Mr. Patrick H. Price
re Grid Coordinates
The attached report is a result of your memo of 31 January
1975 to OTS/CB, wherein you provided ftve grid coordinates
which were to be used in an experimental remote viewing.
program designed to provide operational leads on various
targets.
The information has been recorded essentially as presented
by Pat with only minor editorial changes. Little attempt was
made to follow through on most of hig statements, dince the
primary objective of this interview was to provide you with
raw data which you could reviev and evaluate before deciding
if you want to meet and debrief Pat yourselves.
Because of my deliberate effort to avoid gaining knwledge
of the targets which could "tip off" Pat during the debriefing
I do not know how'=199', if any, of his statements are correct.
We would therefore appreciate your convents regarding this
information to help us evaluate the pco-ential to the Agency
of this technique in general and Mr. Price in particular.
OTS/BAB
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W,"ANDUM FOR THE RECORD
r-ubJect: Interview with 'Ir, Patrick 11, Price on 26 Apiril 1975"
Administrative
For the record,, the follr*rLng advInistrative pointn were
covered with Pat on 26 @pril lq75 during our meeting at the
Key Bridge Marriott Motel:
Our relationship is now an operotional We are no
longer conducting R & D. He wns very pleased with thin and
eager to go to work.
He was asked what conditions help him to work at W-9
best? 'Does it help to see the person or a photograph? Can
he really get there best by grid coordinates, etc.? He
feels we must provide more information so that he can make a
positive identification of a ofte. Grid coordinates are ok
to establish the general area of interest but then he vust
be told what specific point to zero in on. Photograph#,, are
very good, particularly when a person or a building is in-
volved. More data is needed to help pinpoint a location in
relation to a known landmark simh ne a city or a topographic
feature. If the point is within a city then provide a locator
point such as'& building description.
Pat was told that sectwity will be a problem that ve must
face. I will not always be able to tell him everythint-
because often I will not have all the details. The principles
of "compartmentation" and "need to know" will be SOP. Also
there is a potential for embarrassment if ouz association is
played up in the press. H* agreed to keep me posted ov other
groups he may work with and even his contacts with the press.
One interview he gave to the National Tnquirer about six weeks
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ago should be published soon. The topic was a philosophical
discussion of psychokenisis and re ote viewing in relation
to the study of Scientology. As a general rule Pat claims
that he shuns publicity and has turned down many requests
for interviews.
Pat was given the Personality checklist, an indirect
assessment guide and a PT,'-Q IIT to help him focus on the
type of information we would like to get on people.
Pat promised to send sketches of the areas we discussed
along with a bill for his expenses.
RgEort
3ased on his "study" of the coordinates T gave him on
22 April, Pat supplied the following information. The
interview was taped and the three cassettes are available for
study.
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Coordinates given Pat:
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