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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-98
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1. (S) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on an area of interest.
2. (S) The remote viewer was provided the geographic coordinates of the
target at the start of the session. He was asked to describe the target
and provide information relevant to its function. The viewer reported
that he was unable to.attain his usual state of relaxed concentration, but
the interviewer observed that the viewer remained undisturbed by loud ambient
room noise and appeared to maintain his focus on the target. Before the
session the viewer complained that he did not get much sleep the night before
the session. After the session the viewer stated he had a headache.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the
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remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer reference
his impressions of the-target site. At TAB B is target cuing information
provided the viewer. At TAB C are analyst's comments.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-98
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#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours,
7 May 1980.
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and concentrate. Focus
your attention on the area of:
SG1A
Focus your attention. Expand your awareness and observe
the target area. As you do, describe the target to me.
PAUSE
+04 #07: 1 .. glimpse ..... part, part, part of a long building with
a large hole in the roof ... oopen, open clear story .....
trees, evergreens nearby ..... two environmental covers
over something over there. Environmental covers are
camouflagepr. There's some kind of, some kind of vehicle
under the cover.
#66: Describe it to me.
PAUSE
+07 #07: 1 don't know. I wanted to say it was a tank, but can't
make out the two ......... something wrong ............
#66: All right. Relax and concentrate now. Relax and con-
centrate. Relax, relax. At this time determine the
function of the target area. What is the function of the
target area?
PAUSE
#07: R&D tests. Tests or something. I saw something pouring
concrete.
#66: All right. Describe what is tested at this facility.
PAUSE
#07: 1 don't know. I don't know. I saw something that looked
like, looked like break'drums and then I saw ....... spread
out in a field along each side of cable .................
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ba ..... back over to the right near a wall.....
They still look like some kind of track vehicle
round pillbox shape.
PAUSE
+12 #07: Looked, looked, looked like some kind of, some kind of
manure spreader...shape in front of a track vehicle.
#66: All right. Relax and concentrate once again. Relax
and focus your attention on the target. Focus your
attention on the target clearly, concisely. Determine
now what is presently the most important aspect of the
function of the target.
PAUSE
+15 #07: 1 keep seeing open space to the left. I guess that would
be west of the building. The smoke was there.
#66: All right. Is there any other information you can provide
relative to the most important aspect of the function of
+17 the target?
#07: Sense of.... very thickp very, very heavy take ... tremendous
impact. I see extremely, bits of extremely thick wall.
#66: What is it that is thick and heavy and can take this impact?
+21 #07: It's some kind of rounded top thing
19 1 couldn't tell whether it was a
a ground or it's a round thing on a
hole this side towards me. I could
a huge (not audible). It looked to
thick is its diameter.
Seems lot of metal.
round thing sitting on
track. I saw a square
see cross-section is
me that 1/6th 1/8th
#66: Examine that carefully. I will ask you to draw it later.
PAUSE
All right. Relax and concentrate once again. Relax and
concentrate. That's good. Noug move over the target, move
over the target to the point where you started your descriptions
of the target area.
PAUSE
Tell me once again your perceptions of the target area.
PAUSE
+25 #07: 1 saw evergreen trees and part of a building. Quite a bit
of moved earth ... construction ... crain and cement truck...
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and a wall ... is in a building or something ... two vehicles...
Big@ big building seems empty. It's older, older building.
Underground shelter to the left .... that's the size ......
tennis court ..... roads is ... uh...bulldozed up around it ....
I can see vents on the top. I don't, I don't see the rounded
thing.
#66: And, what of the camouflaged area that you saw?
#07: That's two vehicles. I'm not sure if that's camouflage or
tarps.
#66: Describe these vehicles to me once again.
#07: Some kind of track vehicles with a round shape on top. I see
some kind of tube kind of off-set to the right. Wait a
minute. I don't know whether it's right or left. I don't,
I don't know which end is the front But, it's about twice,
they are about twice as long as they are wide.
#66- Standing next to it, how does it compare to a man's height?
PAUSE
+29 #07: Damn, it's about 8 or 9 feet.
#66: Okay. I want you to relax and concentrate but hold your
attention on these vehicles. Relax and concentrate holding
your attention on these vehicles. As you look at the scene
now, determine what are these vehicles doing here. What is
there purpose for being here?
PAUSE
#07: I'm getting overlay again. I saw ...... trying to concentrate
an the vehicles I ..... they disappear and big .... hummm...
spool of twine, wire or something balled up ...... I don't know.
If it has anything ..... to do with it or not ....
#66: Okay. Attempt once again to hold your concentration on
the tanks. Focus once again on those tank vehicles.
Holding your concentration in your mind, ask yourself, what
is the purpose of them being at this location?
PAUSE
#07: All I get is testing.
#66: Tell me the raw data that makes you say that.
+32 #07: 1 saw some kind of plate with holes in it; and I saw
turret'._,". like shape with a mantlet tube removed. I
just figured tubes, tubes were being changedq but that's
assumption. Maybe the damn thing don't have any tubes.
I don't know. I saw that hole again
like it would be through the front
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#07: 1 Would think if there was modification there would be
more, more than two.
#66: Okay. Relax and concentrate. I have one further item.
#07: Yeah. Prototypes.
#66: Say again.
#07: There's only two. They must be prototypes of some kind.
#66: All right. As I talk to you now, hold your concentration
on the vehicles that you see ... on these tank like vehicles
you see. As I talk to you now, perceive them standing
alone with no camouflage over them. Free and clear. You
can see them clearly. No camouflage, no tarps, no coverings.
Now tell me. Do you recognize these vehicles?
#07: No.
#66: All right. I have no further questions. If there is anything
you'd like to say about the target area or the targets or
the tanks, the buildings, or the functions please do so now.
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#07: On the other thing was... I got a...a glimpse of something
sitting on little higher ground with ... uh ... bright led ....
red light coming out of it about 100 yards away.
#66: All right.
#07: They're track like vehicles. When I remove the tarp .....
two something sticking out from the back of it, and I
think the back was to the building. Sliding doors .....
That's about it.
#66: Okay. Now, before you prepare to draw I would like you to
.examine once again, you had at one point during your session
a..... something that can take.impact, something that is
heavy, and something that is thick, and then you saw a
cross-section. I would like you to examine that once again,
so that you can draw it for me.
PAUSE
#07: Okay.
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#66: Is there anything you would like to add before you draw?
#07: 1 don't know. Keep seeing this smooth rounded shape of it
..... trying to set it up on something ..... and it goes two
ways ..... can't trust either one. That's about it.
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#66: All right. At this time let's prepare to draw.
#10.5: Okay. We'll go through the debrief in a chronological
order in order to maintain your continuity of recollection
here. Uh...according to my notes, and #66, if you've got
anything in your notes there that would kick it off .... that
would add to it....ummm ... your first-after your targeting
and tasking several minutes went by, and then you began your
first feeling was .... ummmm part of a long building with a
long hole in the roof .... possible clear story .... you said
something about clear story ...
#07: Uh ... looked like clear story that had been removed ......
or roof taken off of itq or something. I couldn't figure
it. I was trying to figure the opening...linear opening ....
on the top of the building. It was a long building.
Evergreens .....
#10.5: Yeah. Trees, evergreens nearby...and you had the feeling
of environmental coloring.
#07: Environmental covers or camouflage over two vehicles.
#10.5: Okay. And, then you haJ some kind of vehicle under cover.
Uh .... could you give m@- a sketch of the building? Building
layout. The building as you perceived it.
#07: 1 got two cuts on that thing. When I first saw it it looked
one way; when I looked at it later it-looked like an older
building. Like it had been there some time. I was confused
with it. Do you want a top view looking down?
#10.5: Yeah. That would be fine.
#07: 1 did not see the backside of the building. Off over in
this direction I thought there was .... in the direction of
the arrow .... there was a open fields and cablesalong under',.@-i@
the ground, and I saw something like break drums, adjacent
to the cable or attached to the cable. I.cbuldn't.
I know they don't do that with break drums, but tha@;S-just
what it looked like. It was covers like tarp or canvas
or something spread over the top of these. There's times
I saw them individually covered in this time.....but they
seem to be under the same cover. I don't know.
#10.5: Okay. And, what is the strip ..... they seem to be located
in some sort of a .......
#07: Well I...... this was some kind of linear thing. I thought
it was a low wall or something. I don't quite know what
that was. This, I felt was the face of a building, which
I couldn't see all of it. I was roughly in the position
of the X, and towards the end I thought this building had
big sliding doors, or something.
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#66: Is this relative to this position, or is this a cut"out.
#07: No. This seemed to criss
and I looked around to
building was boringp ai@d
I saw a linear pattern,
I saw what looked like
couldn't see all of it
from ...... Isaw this building,
find something else, 'cause the
I thought it was across from here,
and then, not too far from that,
the front of a building, and I
'cause I was ......... .
This I was ..... up in the air looking, and I went down
to look around , an d , aw this. I thought it was crossed
diagonally from the bu Iding. Some other kind of building.
Uh.....how do you spel facade?
#10.5: ...cade.
#07: 1 couldn't see the rest of the building. Uh .......
#10.5: And, the other one you said is a low wall or .......
#07: Yeah. Low wall or it was linear pattern that I felL I
could have.probably jumped over it, but-wall or embankment.
#10.5: Your description there is fine.
#07: Oh. There was a road over here. I ..got that. And, over
in this area ... the square was where Crain and a ... uh... 41
over to the right was the Crain and the dump truck, or not
a dump truck but a cement truck...construction equipment ...
Over here-this position here ... was something round, spherical
thing ... now that I look back on it, it could have been a
theodolite. But, I saw opening in the side, and I thought
I saw red light ... like a lazer or something. It didn't
connect with any other, but I just dumped it because it
was strong for a moment, then disappeared. I don't know
what it was.
#10.5: Okay. Then on your first cut, then you had some kind of
vehicle under cover, which you have on sketch 1. Moving
on you were asked to describe further...you had some kind
of vehicle, you wanted to say tank ..... you got the tube....
something was wrong ... something wrong.....okay ... just at
the very end of that fragment of the session.
Later on in the session you had the situation with tube
.... uh .... like turret shape with mantlet. Is that what
you ...... mantlet removed ....... tube gone.... some kind of
testing feeling, idea ..... uh .... why don't we run those
two together.
#07: Okay. Christ ... it was a big son-of-a"gun@ I thought.
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#07: 1 don't know. I can't get this front right. That turret
seems awfully big, but.... I saw where the mantlet was
removed. Looked like it was very, very thick. Right here.
Oh! In one of the images, I got two things sticking up
back here, and I will be darned if I ...you know, first
I thought, my God, there's tubes pointing up. Then I
figured out the direction of this thing was facing, I
thought I did, and these things appeared to be at the back.
I I m only drawing one of these, but here is where that@ front
of that building was ..... This, this, I think, I think
maybe this turret was a little ider relative to the .....
a little wider relative to the width of the tank.
I don't know how many wheels. I didn't even,.1 didn't
even look.
#10.5: Ok. You said the turret, then, would be a little bit wider
on the chassie?
#07: Yeah. I think ... as I look at the drawing here, it seemed
to me like it was wider in the direction of the arrow. You
I
know. Towards the side of the chassie. May be a little ii,V''
more slope to it here.
#10.5: Did you have a ...... Would you relate to me your feeling:
regarding the things on the back of the tank there of the
vehicle.
#07: 1 was looking for tubes. I was looking for tubes. This
darn thing looked like a tank and I was looking for tubes,
and I couldn't see them. I tried to see them through the
drapped material. I thought they ought ..... the fabric
ought to drape off of them...1 could see it. I think I
was told to, you know, look at it without-the stuff on it.
And, I'm looking around trying to figure the front and the
back end, and I see two,, rather small in comparison to the
overall vehicle...tubular shapes ... extending up aft .....
I think it was aft of the turret. It could be the front,
but I decided it was the aft side of the turret. Uh .....
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#10.5: Did they protrude above the hole in the way you've drawn
there.
#10.5:
Yeah. But, they didn't seem to come up quite as high as
the turret.
Okay. Not quite as high as the turret. Did you have a
feel for the function of those? And, how about the size
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Didn't eveng didn't even think about it. I thought,
gee, they.:I@re:.-,guns. I know it. Tank wouldn't have guns
like that. I thought. Well, they're machine guns
mounted, and I thought they looked a little heavy for
machine gun. Not as heavy.as a mortar tube, but .....
and they weren't smooth. There was stuff along the side
of lem. I don't know what the heck it was, you know. It
wasn't just a smooth tube sticking up. Like if you had
a very low resolution of a fat machine gun, and you just
got a glance at it, you could assume that's what it was.
I didn't think it was a machine gun.
.5: Okay. How about the diameter or size of the thing, other
than length.
I'd say ... uh ... compared to the size of the tank ... uh...
3 or 4 inches in diameter as a max ...I guess. I was
awfully impressed of the size of this critter ... uh...
I felt I was about 2 feet away .... right here, on this side
looking up, and it was alot taller than me. I think I
felt 8 or 9 feet. Maybe 10-feet. I don't know. Eight
or nine feet. And, glancing around, I saw an awful lot
more detail than I've drawn here. But, I didn't recognize
any of it, so I thought it was ... you know.... I was afraid
the thing was ... uh...fraid I was building something, because
I didn't recognize.....I have seenalot of tanks, and I
thought that I ought to...if I see a tank.I ought to
recognize the son-of-a-gunt or at least, say it's like an
umpti-ump. I didn't feel that. So I felt uneasy about
it because it didn't look right. It just didn't dawn on me
right there that, hey, I'm looking at something new.and
different and take notes 'cause you may not get a chance
to look at this againg or anything like that. Because
of partly, some of the things I saw were so strange to me
I just kind of brushed them aside.
Somewhere, I think before I got to the point where I was
staying beside it here, I was looking around trying to figure
what was going on and ... a tremendous roar at a point where
it hurt my left ear, and I couldn't figure out whether it
was explosion ... uh...maybe a gun had gone off or something.
But, I saw no tubes so I tried to give you that idea. I
thought it was overlay. But, it was a crackling-continuous
sound for a brief period. Like I've heard jet engines
rib up real close to me and where someone overrides them
and they just overwhelms you with this crackingg, poppingy
horrible sound that makes your head hurt. My head did hurt
as a result of it. And, it hurt quite awhile. Even when I
was stopping to draw it was still hurting.
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#10.5:
#10.5:
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#1@.5: Did you feel the sound as reminiscent to ... strongly
reminiscent to jet engine type of situation, as you said?
#07:
It sounded like ... I was aviation in the Navy, and I walked
by a hanger many of the time when someone who was doing
a certain hour check he had to revee engine up to, I don't
know, 80 or 90 percent of its full thrust for so many seconds,
then pop down. That's what it sounded like. Like someone
just shoved a jet engine clean to the floor. Completely
overwhelmed was cracking, popping, horrible sound ... just
overwhelms you.
And, it was during this ..... when you were in this ....
#01
Just when I was around here looking around ..... just before....
before I looked at the vehicles without the covers on. I
was looking arund trying to figure what's going on. While
I was looking I heard this terrible, terrible sound. It
seemed like it was off to my left, somewhere. And, right
now I don't know the direction I was looking. So, I'm
not sure exactly where it came from.
All right. What is your .... do you have any feeling for -the
.,..where the vehicle is as you've drawn it. You know. You
have it back...facing against a facade or building that you
have .... what is it resting on. What's in under it? Is
that......is ..... I don't know. How will try to get this
across ..... or is it in the area where the trees were@ or is
it in a fabricated area for that. Is it an actual constructed
area where they do this or was it sort of ...... Do you follow.
#10.5:
Yeah. I follow what you're asking and I'm going back through
my images to see whether.....uh. I don't remember looking
under it. You know. It certainly was not anywhere down
on a flat bed of a truck or anything like that. Logic tells
me that if there were tracks they were probably on dunnaget
or something, to keep the tracks clear.
Possibly raised. Is that.what you mean by dunnage?
Uh .... yeah. Normally, if the tracks are going to set awhile
they put them up on something. I don't know if it's to
keep the tracks from sticking or ... uh... I don't know what
it's for, but they normally do it. I expect to see that,
and I don't remember looking to see what...that they were
on anything.
Is there anything more you would like to add as regarding
the vehicle itself? You've indicated that it was strange
... uh ... at least in some sort of non-familiar sense. Thinking
about it now, could you think of one or the most significant
reason why you felt you couldn't identify the vehicle. Is
there any one -thing that would have caused you to identify
or feel that familiarityo anywayp but you didn't for some reason.
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#0-1: Tanks have, normally, alot of little details.all over
them. You know. Alot of little detail that you wouldn't
put in if you were -to cast it in plaster of Paris, for
instance. I remember the dome looked almost like ...... I
saw a dome shape! It looked like a crude, rough textured
casting. Uh .... smooth rounded edges. Rather than like,
say, the German Tigers, you know, welded flat palte....
This stuff looked like it was very rough, massive,thick
wall casting. Uh ...... alot of little details that normally
look for to help me to tell one tank from another were
missing. Like all these things had not been added. There's
normally rings and things for tie tarps, and all kinds of
stuff like that on lem. They just seemed simple and basic.
Like they didn't have all this stuff.
Incomplete, I guess. Ohl At one point. I don't know what
to make of this. I guess I suspect because I couldn't find
tubes on the thing, I may have manufactured, this but I saw
something like flails or something like manure sp-it. Some-
thing going around on one end of it. When I saw that, I
thought oh, no tubes, and I see this thing .... it could be
..... I don't know .... years ago they Osed:to have'bbmothing go
through a mine field and open up an opening or something.
I guess just beat the hell of the mines or something. When
I saw this kind of thing I thought that might have been part
of this. All I saw was a section of the end of a track
vehicle ... some kind of things turning, and the rotational
force ... whatever it was went all the way across one end
of the tank-and that disappeared...just a flash ........
and disappeared.
#1).5: Well, let's move on then. We'll get to that ...... that's
about ... let me see ... we're still on the first page here of
my notes ...... all right. Ummmm ..... when #66 directed you
to relax again, and asked you to determine the function of
the target area .... uh.... I had two notes here. You may have
had more feelings, more perceptions. You had the feeling
that the area-was associated, or was an R&D test facility.
And, shortly after that you saw something pouring concrete.
Now, am I.correct when I say that the pouring concrete
activity is what you have on sketch one, in the lower right
hand corner?
#07: Uh ...... that shows the position of the vehicles. I don't
have them pouring concrete there. Yeah. I saw them over
in this area. Uh ... truck was ... a pad of some kind ... uh...
rectangular shape pad ... uh ... maybe it was a portion of a
street, but all I saw was forms for a rectangular area that
was two times the length of the truck and maybe 1/3d smaller
than that in width. It was over in this direction.
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#10,5:
#07
Then in describing what was being ... as you had said...
test facility ... what was being tested at this facility...
uh ... your imagery...let me see ... looked like brake drums
spread out in field along each side of a cable ... some
kind of a track vehicle to the right over near a wall ...
this is sketch 2 .... round pillbox type shape.
#101.5:
Okay. That was a separate image. I couldn't tell where
it was. I was trying to see if it was coming out of the
ground; if it was on a building, or if it was on top of a
tank or a vehicle. I think I finally convinced myself it
was on top ... probably on top of a vehicle. I became
con-fused when I saw this dome, over in this direction...
light coming from it. Because it was 3 or 4 cuts at....
dome, pillbox or turret shapes, and I was getting pretty
confused with all of this 'cause there were pieces just
coming out of .... that'd be the only thing I'd focus in on.
They did look exactly alike so I didn't know whether they
were the same thing or...uh ... or the same thing at a
different angle@.but I didn't know. Uh .... that pillbox
thing. Is that when I saw the thick, I don't know, thick
walls of it, or something?
Uh-that's slightly f rther on in the session, but not
too much farther * I t ink you were still working on this
imagery. This is what I need to work together here. Uh..,.
also in association or in line with the pillbox shapet you
had the ... looked like some kind of manure spreader on, on
the back of the track vehicle. Then moving on, let's see....
I thought it was on the end. I didn't know whether it was
the front or the back. I was having trouble trying to determine
front and back.
#10.5: Okay. Then, you were asked what was pDesent-ly-!.the,,most
important 'aspb6t.@of thb-function of the target. Your
imagery or your perceptions here, when asked that question
you shortly thereafter perceived some kind of a loud roar...
Something over to the left ... a short roar ... thought it came
from the track vehicle ... had some smoke or something like
that associated with it, as I seem to recall.
#OV: Ahhh... I remember that.
#1@.5: All right. This is according to your earlier
the debriefing here. This is in association
but shortly before having gotten in close to
Am I correct on that?
part of
with sketch 2,
the vehicle ...
Uh# ...
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.5: Sort of combined beginning and end of the session
per sketch 2 here.
My leb's going asleep. Sorry.
#11.5: Yeah, as I was saying. In your debriefing just a
moment ago, it was-the roar thing and disassociated
perception was before getting the detail on the vehicle.
Yes, it was. Yes. Yes.
#11.5: Okay. Then you went into the detail which we already
have on sketch 2. Now, here's where we get to this other
thing you were talking about. This very heavy thickness.
You were asked if there was anything more regarding the
important aspect of the function, and from what I could
get, I think we had some outside interference-. that sort
of masked you out on the headset, but very -thick, very
heavy...I picked up tremendous impact...uh ... bits of
extremely thick walls, okay .... if you could ......
#O@: I saw a shallow dome shape ... uh-that seemed as though
it was constructed to take extremely heavy impact. It
..uh ... the angle that I was looking at this, it looked
alot more rounder than this.
#111.5: This will be on sketch 3.
#07: The thing that impressed me here, was the very thick walls
that you can see here ... through this square opening .... looking
into it. But, it was like a rough, textured, sandcasting...
smooth, fat edges, and I tried to put it on things,.and
of course, I thought about it, you know, and I just started
fitting it on alot of things...starting fitting it on vehicles
.... became a pillbox in the ground .... and I had to back off
and leave it alone, 'cause I couldn't depend on ....... when
I asked myself where is this, I got too much imagery to cope
with, and I backed away from it.
#1@.5: Ummmm Did you have a feeling for thickness, dimension,
size dimensionv thickness?
I tried to figure out the size of the dome, dome shape....
I thought it was about 1/8th, I felt the diameter of what-
ever it was.,
#10.5: Okay, yeah. You had 1/6th to 1/8th thick as diameter.
That's what you mean then on this distance here.
#07: Yeah. This is about 1/6th to 1/8th of that.
#10.5: Some rounded top thing ..... just going through my notes....
some rounded top thing, either on ground or on track.
That's where you backed off, okay. Square hole in the side
towards you ..... see cross section.....about 1/6 to 1/8 as
thick as the diameter, okay. Uh ..... are there any ... did you
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determine or have any peculiar, other peculiar on,.special
type siginficant data input regarding this imagery. Anything
else you would like to add regarding this?
#07: No. I was just very curious as to what it was. I .....
#10.5: Do I understand that is a 3 dimensional situation in
drawing.
#07: Drawing. I guess I saw it in 3 dimension. I imagined it
it as a cutaway cross section where ..... I'll put that
down here, if you would like.
This is probably why I felt it was about 1/6th to I/Sth
as thick as it was all the way across. If you just slice
right down through it it was very, very thick. And, it
was very simplistic, you know. I didn't see doors, hatches,
anything like that. I just saw this smooth, rough, casting
shape.
#10.5: And, the idea of tremendous impact, and very heaviness here.
What are you ... what were you saying when you were say those
words?
#07: If I see something that appears that thickt it either tells
me that the material that it is constructed @ ' of is extremely
weak or it's got@'to take tremendous stresses. Otherwise@
if it's just environmental you could come up with something
very, very thin because it doesn't have to take any stresses.
And ... uh... I just assumed because of the heavy thickness
it was built to take impact.
#10.5: All right. Moving on then. You were directed to move back
over the target to your point of beginning imagery .....
you had the evergreens, part of the building, some moved
earth, construction, crane ... wall part of the building ...
two vehicles .... older building .... building seems emptyq I
believe you said.
#07: Yeah. It was a big building and I assumed it was the same
one I'd seen first ... got detail on it ..... front of it....
appeared it had some glass and panels busted or burnt or
broken ... uh ... like I could just see right into it ......
and, it's an old building that perhaps they were going to
use .... rebuild it, reuse it for something else, but it really
looked like it had been there a long time, and maybe even
had some fire-the front of it. And, I was only looking
at the front ..... uh ..... it reminded me of the appearance
of some of the old warehouses I saw in Hollabird, the last
time I saw them. Kind of sad shape. Still useable ... as
a cover, but needs maintenance. And, I thought-that was
the long building that had the opening in the roof.
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#10. 5: Okay.
#07: Ohl I saw alot of earth. On drawing 1... I felt
back from trees ... across from trees from the big building.
#10.5: Okay. You've written spoil there for the earth. Uh...
underground shelter to left.
#07: Hmmmm ...... Ohl Okay. I forgot that.
#10.5: Size of tennis court.....earth bulldozed up around
it ... vents on top. That's also in association with this
second cut at the aerial .....
#07: Yeah. I don't know. That was over to
to the left in this direction. Let me
identify. I've got two arrows here.
was a-though earth were bulldozed up
..uh..you could see some rounded corner,
there was a box underneath.....I don't
of these darn things over here, but it
that.
#10.5: Okay. Sketch 4.
the ..... further
see. I've got to
Uh ... this shape
over this and it
but looked like
know the exact positions
looked something like
#07: What did I call this? Underground ...... uh .....
#10.5: Underground shelter. Okay. Now, #66 was directing you ......
we've done some moving around. I think where we are is back
to sketch 2. Uh ... you were asked what about the camouflaged
area, and you had a track vehicle with a round top. Some
kind of tube to the right twice as long as wide.
#07: Tube ..... oh, the vehicle, vehicle ... uh...that ratio is what
told me it was a track vehicle undercover. It was 2 to I ratio
and most track military vehicles are 2 to 1 ratio.
#10.5: Okay. So, am I correct when I'm saying that this relates
to your sketch 2 imagery there?
#07: Sketch 2.
#10.5: Okay. You were asked to move in close to it and compare it
to a man's height. And you sort of had an exclamation there,
and you just simply said 8 to 9 feet. Okay. Moving on.
Question why the vehicles were here. You had a little bit
of difficulty.....apparently, I don't know ..... but, you said
the vehicles would disappear in a big spool of twine or wire ...
would I presume take their place.
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#07: 1 was looking at the vehicles asking myself, you know,
what is the function ... uh-what's this-all about, and
the image would fade ... leave me-and I saw a ... like
someone had taken trout line and wound around a stick...
uh...I don't know. It could have been just garbage
imagery coming in, but it looked like wire or trout linet
or something like that wound around a stick. I don't
remember what happened after that, though. Was it that
it stopped there .....
#10.5: Well, all you did is the testing feeling ......
#07: Oh, okay. Okay.
#10.5: The testing feeling ... and you saw some kind of a plate with
holes in it. But, I'm interested in this overlay of the
vehicle to the spool or twine wire, okay. I didn't mean overlay
in the ne@t_ive, I meant the overlay ... the way the images
would, would come across each other during your session.
Would you draw me a sketch of your perception of the spool
I vt,
of twine or wire which you just described as a front line.
1
#07: 1 saw two different ones. I saw this one ... the trout line.
I'll draw it for you. But, I saw another one later. I
started to dump just as he asked me to do something, and I
thought, gee, I've got to remember to talk about that, and
I don't know if I ever did or not, but the second one ... uh...
looked like a large spool of regular wire, you know, with
disk on the end; it was black, cable, black cable on it,
andq I meant to come back and look at and I didn't. It
happened about the time.you said something, and, I don't
know, I completely lost it.
#10.5: That should be 5. You have 4 already.
#07: 1 do?
#10.5: Yeah. Uh ... for that why don't you just divide that in half
and provide in two 'quick sketches of the two aspects would
be fine.
Okay. On the left we have the twine, the wire wound on a
center post; and on the right of sketch 5 we have the@
spool feeling. Uh ... the cable, you mentioned cable .... spool
#07: This, this was large. I don't know. Maybe 3, 4 feet.
#10.5: Okay. On the left there, I'm getting the feeling that
that's sort of a casual haphazard winding. Is that accurate?
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#07: Ahhh....
#10.5: All right. Very good. Also associated with this
you got the testing again, after you cleared from that
imagery and then you saw some kind of plate with holes
in it.
#07: Ahh .... At that time, I remember looking around for anything
that would give me information about what was happening.
This plate just appeared with holes in it, and I first
thought, well gee, that looks like heavy metal; it's
supposed to be strong but they've lightened it; and then
I noticed that the holes were not bored. They appeared
I don't know if they were punched or something, and I felt
well, maybe it's a target. You know. Thby're shooting...
penetration or something like that. I saw something else
too, at that time, along with that. Oh! The dome thing
with the red light coming out of one side of it.
#10.5: That was in association with this?
#07: That was at the time I saw ... about the same time I was
looking around for identification. Uh ..... and I remember
that only because #66 asked me why I said something. Why
I said testing, or something.
#10.5: Ummm ... right.
#U7: And, these were my reasons for coming up with that.
#10.5: Okay. Did you have a feeling for size, magnitude of this
'4te with the holes in it or size of the holes in it.
a
p
Uh ......
#07: 19 1 just saw it sitting out there. I would guess, you
know, maybe 8 feet by 8 feet or something like that..It was
square. It was thick.
#10.5: Okay. Was there any pattern to the holes? You said that
they appeared to be punched as opposed to bored. Any
type of pattern.
#07: Uh ... no, they seemed... I remember... seems rather random.
I don't remember a uniform pattern like the stars on a
flag or anything like that.
#10.5: Uh ..... do you have a feeling for where that is located
in the overall area....
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#07: It seems over into the area to the left on 1. Directly
in the direction of the arrows. Somewhere in the direction
of the arrows over in that direction.
#10.5: In the upper left corner 1. Okay. Fine. All right.
Now we move into the area we've already-built on sketch 2.
You had the turret shape with the mantlet removed, two
gone ... some kind of testing. Then you made the sort of
the observation, that if it were modification there would
have been more than two. And, you said it must be something
of some kind, and #66 asked you to say that again, and
you said since there's only two that it must be prototypes.
Vehicle prototypes. Uh ..... well, could you just give me
some groups on that.
#07: Well , I f elt when #66 asked the question that I hadn't
thought of it, but that if they were modifying something,
or if they were building vehicles they ought to be a whole
batch of lem out there. You don't have a big facility to
repair two vehicles or to construct two vehicles, and I
was looking for why I only see two around here, and I was
looking all over and I felt that, well, you only had two
if there were only two, and that would be a prototypes or
some kind of test bed...just based on numbers.
#10.5: Okay. Fine. You were then asked to observe the vehicles
alone in an uncluttered circumstances and you were asked
if you recognized them and you said no. Uh .... you were
asked if you had anything further to add when nearing the
end of the session, and you said that there were two ...
something, two somethings, two somethings sticking out of
the back of it ......
#07: That's on drawing two.
#10.5: Is that on drawing two, there? Let's see. The pipes or
whatever it....
#07: Whatever the heck it is. I thought, I was kind of elated
there, I thought I had found the tubes that I had been
looking for, you knou; gun tubes ... and ... uh... I didn't
see them.
#10.5: Okay. That's all I have. Do you have anything you want
to add?
#07: No .....I...... We did mention the dome that I later thought
might be a maybe a field light or something, which would
tie in with testing.
#10.5: Okay. Why don't you do a sketch of that.
#07: Uh ..... what number we got?
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#10. 5: That, s six.
#07: Uh ... the dotted line is where I saw the flash of light.
Just, you knowq I thought it might ... seemed like a
field like dome, but possibly a,lazier or something in it.
I don'tknow.
#10.5: How about the size? The magnitude of this?
#07: Uh ..... the size ..... 6 feet diameter.
#10.5: Okay. t-h-e-o ..... Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were
going to spell it.
#07: 1 don't know if that's what is or not. I just say
it looked like a theodolite. Uh...okay ... 6 feet.
#10.5: Very good. anything more?
#07: No. That's it.
#10.5: Okay. Thank you very much.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
Project 8003bg Session #CCC-98
070900 hours, May 80
Cuing Data: (mens, coord)
SG1A a. Target is located atF
b. Describe the target.
c. What is the function of this target?
d. What is presently most important aspect of the function?
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ANALYST COMMENTS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-96
1. (U) Reference:
2. (S/NOFORN) CUING DATA:
a. (S/NOFORN) This was #07's first session against Project 8003b.
SG1A #07 had previously performed four sessions against Project 8003a (CC74@ CC87,
rrri-i- nnd =15), #01 was provided only the mensurated coordinates
b. (S/NOFORN) #66 has served as interviewer in 12 preceding Project
8003a RV sessions. This was #66's first involvement in Project 80.03b.
Little or no relevant overlay from his preceding involvement in 8003a was
existent. SG1
3. (S/NOFORN) ANALYSIS: A
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