Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 n ll`~ ^ rnLt= V T INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT mop, CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH '"w DATED: 051630ZJUL78 NATIONALS REVIEW ON `77-v NOT REL j> 1. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788 44 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 -0 r7t"'* rn SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-38 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request from CIA. The purpose of the session was to provide information concerning a specific room in the building shown at TAB B. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3- (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this 'session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4- (S/NOFORN) Following is a trans,cript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At tAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing infor- mation provided the remote viewer. 5- (S/NOFORN) Sessions D-38 and D-39 were conducted simultaneously using different remote viewers and different interviewers. NOT RELJ"=QW",-NATIONALS %.,#L.%-Jl L. I ZRO01 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 TRANSCRIPT FMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-38 TIME #20-5: This will be a remote viewing session for 10 September, with a start time of 1100 hours. Test. #01: Test. #20-5: Okay, #01p time to start the session for today. I want you to relax, relax aW focus your attention on the pic- ture that I have show6t you, focusing on the picture that I've shown you. Move to the building. Move your perspec- tive to the building in that pictureq and focus your attention on the room that you were designated to visit. Move to that room and describe that room to me. Describe that room that I designated to you earlier. Relax and concentrate on that room. #01: Narrow...wide ... white floor, polished tilese.o6seovoe Some kind of metal racks by the one wall ... it's a wall on the right, there's atooa picture, Some kind of... electronic equipment in the racks... Low table or desk on the other side next to the wall...with a light colored topeoesome safes ... small ... all wood paneling on the walls ... could be just a brown finish or wallpaper with a... pattern.*.&e***.9*# Have a ... discussion, I guess, going on... There's three people there*********. Sayv therets some different kind of table ........... Let me...look for a minute heree**#* 00000.00 +Of Sort of like some kind of a...communications roome*9aeoe Uh,.*uh.,*.**.*.that1s all I'm getting.... #20-5: Tell me about the, the overall condition of this room #01. Tell me about the condition of this room ........ #01: Something ... get a lot of impressions when you asked that. See the brown of the wallse*oand, uh, some kind of serrated, or shredded or something tattered hanging down ... some bare wires ... uh, sort of looks partially constructed, in a way +07 **.things are exposed ... very cold in the roomooooesome- thing tattered hanging down***** #20-5: Tell me- tell me about any other pieces of equipnent that you- or furniture that you see in this room, #01. Q G IQ rm", IQX P Approved For Release 20U42",U.IviNumb-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08CY"Qffr1lT9 M.788ROO0400390001-6 N-W "W I N L. I #01: Saw..awhat looks like a..-small stunted safe. There's a Q,M(n .,.a 2%44P14.e-n* I it ts like encryption gear or something... something sitting on a table top ... table top. Just a min- ute, let me look at a minute. #20-5: Okay, take your time. PAUSE +09 #01: Mast ... must be some kind of radio7 itts got ... got large dials on the front, and looks like glass plate, square plate? the size of a TV screen, that's all.#*V screenj and some wires in front. I dontt get a feeling like it's a radio, it just looks like one... #20-5: Okay... Is there anything else you want to tell me about this room? #01: I'm gonna look again... There's ... I can't explain it, like there's, uh, the room should be on a hallway7 but I'm like looking where the wall should be and I don't see it, I'm looking through the wall or something. The hallway is not there**e*.*9 That's all I got. #20-5: Okay. Anything else, nothing else you want to add thent huh? #01: Not that I see. #20-5: Okay. Very good. I want you to relax then we'll do some drawings here in a second. Okay, why don't we go ahead and do the drawings theny #01. #01: Okay, I'm gonna draw these ... air conditioners or whatever t4y are so that you know how I approached this room here. It's like these three things are down here on the end. The room is very narrow and goes very deep this way. And, uh, this wall has got metal racks of some kind on it**9 And this wall right here has got these boxes that look like safes. And the desk or white table top was right here... And then I got a feelin' like there's the end of the ... the white table or something down here. I'm not sure exactly about position of this, but it's... #20-5: Just make sure you label it. #07: Yeah. And therets like a ... radio like device. Okay? #20-5: Okay. Approved For Release 20001021 oi'-~': e)i('-kb~T6-'00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 20001f111"-_, -rMX"bMW-M*788R000400390001-6 Q L.%J I X L. I- #01: In this rack here I perceive there to be comm, equipment*** you know, like teletypes, that's where they ... terminals for teletype wirings, and encryption gear. And where this door and a wall should be, I can't find that-for some reason,, Itts like there should be ... a hallwa:7.0.".1yat I don't see one, And, uh, somewhere in this mess I'm seeing like bared wires, and by that I mean like taking ... like, uh, not power lines, but like audio lines and stripping the ca- the plas- tic off. Seeing thatt and I'm seeing something that looks like a tattered or torn, tattered or torn curtain. The walls- I keep getting an impression of brown walls for some reason. I dontt think theyfre wood, I just ... at first I said they were wood, you know, that they were wood panel all aroundl but that may be wrong? that may be analytic, you know, they're brown though. You know, they're brown. #20 - 5: Okay. #01: And the floor's white, like a white square. #20-5: Okay. That was just about your first impression.. Why did you- tell me why you felt cold in the room... #01: I'm not sure,+hat was like a fleeting impression* Uhoso let me think about that a second, I'll tell you,*,a**.*** It's like I got an impression that there's, there's a reason for that, you knowt it's like it has to be kept cold. I think- I don't think I felt cold as much as I did ,WW- the necessity to keep it cold. You know, I don't know if that makes any sense, but ... had to be kept cold I would say. #20-5: Okay. You, uh, were asked to describe the general condi- tion of the room. #01: Yeah. #-20.5.' 1 really didn't understand how you felt about that. Not objects, but just general condition of the room. You're describing something there in your drawing anyway, that looks like ew.,,rything has a, is a, there's a place for everything type thing. #01: Right. Correct. And, uh,*.th uh .... therets a, but there's a.o.what I see therereARsithere, and it'sy everything is in it's place. But there's, the thing that bothers me is I'm seeing a, uh, like wires that should not be bared are baredt and you wouldn't expect to see the bottom edge of a curtain to be tattered, but it's tattered. And, uh ... sort of a, a disarray superimposed over the, you know, the orderliness of things. It's sort of like having a table set for eight and everything is just right and then you sprinkle the food all over it. That sort of effect. Approved For Release 20;OM&V-.%elA-'RgP=-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/0 Re 788ROO0400390001-6 SEC~M #20-5: Okay. Uh- #01: 1 don't know if that makes any sense, but that's the effect. #20.5'. Okay, you mentioned a small safe. Where is that #01? #01: Oh, uh, it's somewhere back up here by the white table. I don't know exactly where, but somewhere up in this area. #20-5: What does that safe look like? #01: I'll draw you a little picture of it. #20-5: Why don't you draw me a little picture of it then? #01: An impression, it almost looks a lot like one of those little refrigerators...which may be what it is, it looks like a little'safel though... I perceive it to have a very heavy door, though, in any event... And it does, on reflection, appear to be ... like one of those little refri- g4rators... That's the way it looks. #20-5: A single door, is that what you're showing? #01: Yeah, just a single door on the front, and it goes top to bottom. It's probably, at the maximumt three feet high and two wide ... and a foot and a half deep. Just looks like a little tiny thing. #20-5: That's drawing number two? #01: Two, yeahe #20-5: Okay,, uh. ..is this the way you perceive the safe? I'm asking is it looks like the safe is closed. ':VA V"-11tr`0"c %5# hol: Yeah. #20-5: So that's the way you saw it. Okay. See if there's anym- thing- sneeze- excuse me. That'll raise hell with lem, wontt it? #01: Blow somebodys eardrums out. #20-5: Okay, uh, anything else you want to add then? #01: Uhl there's somethin' botherin' me here a little bit. Let me think about it just a second****.*. This tattered curtain and bared wires is botherin' me, and I don't know why and I want to think about it a minute. #20-5: Okay. Take your time. #'% r 0 Approved For Release 200 QX;QIL~- ET6-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/nMftr-"?I*^ 6%4M' "T '?788R000400390001-6 _UEAj I lv~_I #01: J7 I think I perceive a reason for it but I want to make up my mind here whether or not it's overlay, or... #20-5: Yeah, don't try to read into the problem. #01: No, but I, I, itts one of those, it's like I couldn't think of that word that time, and then it came to Itts almost, okay7 it's like the room is in a very orderly fashion, everything is in it's place, and there was like a, uh, centralizedt very intense blast of heat, like almost a white heat that was so quick that nothing burned, but there's, there's like scarring from it. You know, it melted the plastic off the wires and darkened7 or did something to the walls, you knowt almost caused an. inter- ior photographic effect. You knowg like exposing a nega- tive. #20-5: Can you tell what the cause of this was? #01: Something small, you know, it wasn't big, it was very small. And I don't... #20-5: Are you saying it was some kind of explosion in the room? #01: Well, I hesitate to call it that7 'cause I don't, I don't see a violent explosion, but It well, it's violent from a heat standpoint, but I don't see a- like an-incendiary explosion, okay? #20-5: Okay. #01: More like, instead of a bomb type explosion, an incendiary type explosion. #20-5: Have you got anything else you'd like to add now, at this time? #01: No. #20-5: Okay. Very good. I don't have any other questions. End of session. 'V01: That's it. a4N Approved For Release 2 A-__,,nFI96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 - TAB F Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 w 34 1kv, i i I ) I d q I I - - Iw 0 x Z.:.j V morv Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-06788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 I- TAB I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/0UaL%0i--~P*A-qE-9-V- 0788R000400390001-6 NWIF Low %0 1 N TARGET CUING INFORMATION REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-38 1. (S/NOFORN) This was the first remote viewing session conducted against this target. 2. (S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the viewer was shown a picture of the target building. See attached Xerox copy. He was told what area of the building USI was interested in; however, he was 2111Z shown a picture of the outside of the building. ,up" NOT REIEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS PM VM QQ,;=- I ~ Approved For Release 2000/W/&?"%elA-kbP9~-00788ROO0400390001-6 SG1 B Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400390001-6