Approved For Release 2000/0 96-00788R00040061 0001 -1 INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT 0 - CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH DATED- 051630ZJUL78 NOT RELEA -~,MTCFEIGN NATIONALS REVIEW ON: AME Approved For Release 2000/08/0~9A-RDP96-00Q%Wd~tw Approved For Release 20004/51 -.0.7M mDIP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-65 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request for information on an area of intelligence interest. The viewer previously worked this target; see session D-86. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB 8 is target cuing information provided the remote viewer. NOT RELEASA GN NATIONALS .A Approved For Release 2000/08 IA-RDP96-00788R00040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08107 6f"P96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 TRANSCRIPT TIME SG1A #66: This will be a remote viewing session for 0900 hours, 1500 January 1981. REMOTE V 1EWFG (RV) SESSION DC-65 This is a, uh, pre-mission briefing. Today I will be pro- viding you with geographic coordinates of a point on the earth that you have been to before and have described accurately. We are now asking you to return to the same place and answer a few direct questions. So at the beginning of the session I will be providing you the geographic coordinates. Now I am going to show you a couple of pictures of things that might be at the target location, and of course your first question will be to determine are these things at the location. Now you have accurately described the location before, but you didn't say whether these things were there #46: Hm ... All right. #66: Okay. You've seen these pictures now. #46: Yeah, I remember seeing. #66: And I will be providing you the coordinates then at the start of the session. Do you have any questions at all? #46: No. #66: Okay, fine. I'll see you in a few minutes then when the session begins. #46: Sol I can either describe one of the threel or two of the three or three of the three. You want- #66: 1 don't- I don't know- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : 7MR06100788RO0040061 0001 -1 So what we went to do is when I give you the coordinates, want you to go to the area that you went to before with these coordinates and look around and see whether or not these antennas are there or not ...... Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 #46: You just want me to physically describe- #66: #46: SG1A #6 6: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #46: #66: #66: Yes, physically describe what you see. You may say, oh, it's just like this or- Yeah ... Yeah. So we areq of courseq depending on you to tell us which kind. Yeah. I was trying to differentiate between these two ... Well, you may see these pictures afterwards, if you like. Just physically describe what you see there, but these I'm showing you ahead of time- Yeah. -to say that you might or you might not find these at the target. Then I will have some specific questions about the target as well. Okay. Any other questions? No. Okay. Relax and concentrate now. Relax and concentrate solely and completely on the target, solely and completely, clearly in perfect focus. Focus now in present time at the target and and describe your perceptions to me. PAUSE #46: 1, 1 gotta get here, the, uh, uh ... the overview of, uh .... of the area when you called the coordinate. ron Approved For Release 200ulu MITIRUPTIT-TIM88RO0040061 0001 -1 SG1 B PAUSE Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : C1166"88RO0040061 0001 -1 #66: Describe it to me. #46: Sort of a....othe, uh, a rise or a hill in the upper portion of the grid ... and of...and of the hill in the, uh, left center portion, left lower portion of the grid. And in between that is all trees and vegetation, to the right of the box from top to left in a "U" type configuration. Almost appears to be a ribbon of water and then beyond to the righto more vegetation .... Now-when you said focus there I landed on the, on the beach ... sandy beach...next to the water and opposite the water is a very ... dense, almost jungle atmosphere there .... (mumbling) to the left. PAUEE 1/66: And now describe more specifically the target at the coor- dinate. #46: (Mumbling)... I've got to go on from where I~ from wherever. This, uh .... it's round ....... It'sp uh .... it's inland (mumbling) ...... about a half m*He-o*r**mile ........... and what +10 1 really see is ........... it's a circular type antenna, it's like one of these, uh, old fashioned .... electric heaters or something in the center and the spokes going out ... is the picture that stays, trying to ... define it. No, that's, that's ... that would be the uppermost one... NW/ And underneath that, then you have a bunch of spokes going out... in every which direction ........ Damn. There's something about a ... rectangular plate with white metal with holles in it .... #66: It's important for me to know your relative position of observation as you describe this ... +11 #46: I'm between those two hills about a mile within the shoreline from- what the hell is that- east to west.... On your grid it would be about ...... 3/4 of the way to the right from west to east and if you came down about halfway you could put a dot there and that's where I am. #66: And as you describe what you say SG1A #46: Yeah. #66: -what is your position of observation as you- #46: It's weird because it's just going up on a tall pole .... and there's just those -three things I've described with it... were attached to the pole. So I'm kinda looking up at ito really. Approved For Release MOAT"' A-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07,; t~~i,.*t6-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 1 +13 #66: You perceive yourself to be looking up at the pole. Review for me the three things you've said. #46: The top one that looks like a...like an old, uh, electric heater, you know, it's got a...it's circular shaped. It's got a center piece and it's g,ot spokes growing out. #66: Describe the number of spokes. #46: Oh, god. PAUSE It's either 11 or 12. Between 10 and 12, 1 keep losing track. #66: All right... Continue with your review of the three items ... #46: And below that one... this is with the one that, uh ...... with the, uh, spokes going out and.....various directions ..... I think the, uh...the longest spokes (mumbling) ... at about +16 90 degrees from the care, about ... 2 feet. But they~ they're not all 2 feet because as they come close to the center of the spokes they're smaller. If you look at it on a plane it looks somewhat rectangular ........ #66: Move your position of observation to 100 feet directly over, directly over this and describe for me. +18 #46: There's big bows there...right down to the ground, and there's the...what would look like a ... like a ... like a shed or some- thing, it seems to be the principal thing ........ #66: Now as you move above the target, move above this that you've been describing- #46: Yeah~ it's from up looking down (mumbling). #66: Are there other similar configurations in the area? Or is this one the sole configuration in the area? #46: As soon as you said that there were ... there were like two little miniature towers that shoulda been placed on, right an the border of your grid, uh, on both hills ..... north and south. #66: 'Review this for me again. #46: Well, as soon as you mentioned that there was a very quick impression like of miniature towers that fit in within the perspective of the overview of the grid, which located ... north and south on those two hills. I was trying right a fter you .... Approved For Release 2000/08%~ ' ~-P96-00788ROO0400610001-1 #66: All right. #46: Indicated the coordinates. SG1A 1/6 6: Now ask yourself againt in this what you describe to be a #46: Yeah. SG1A #66: #46: No .... third one was the, uh .............. the third one looked.like one of these .............. it's difficult to +21 describe. It's like a bull horn type with the ends up with a rectangle in the veryp veryp very silvery ..... silvery sheet with holes in it. #66: All right. Do I understand that you are of the opinion there are three antennas? #46: Yeaht all on one damn pole. #66: Oh, Iunderstand. You have three antennas all on one pole. #46: Yeah. #66: Okay, are there any other ... in a grander scale, having all these antennas hooked to the singular pole, and calling this one configuration, on that grander scaleo are there other similar configurations in the immediate area? ........ #46: 1 don't see any. #66: Okay. Now turn your perspectives from describing the con- +23 figurations to personnel. Are there personnel in this area? #46: Yeah ............... In ...... there's a, kind of a primitive type road ... comes from the beach to the site, and it's, it's an open truck that is used to transport the personnel. It looks like a ... it's not a ducec and a half, like a 3/4 ton. And the impression is ... that there are about three people in that shed. #66: Okay. Focus now solely and completely, move inside the shed. #46: Yes, yeah. +25 #66: Describe the people to me. PAUSE #46: There's a (mumbling) there should be all military, one civi- lian ... he's there in a white shirt. 96-0 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP 0788ROO0400610001-1 Approved For Release 2000/08 5 96-00788R00040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/ ro "" 00788R00040061 0001 -1 uT__0&Fd11VL*_0C #66: What is it you experience that makes you say- #46: Well, he stands outs there should be ... #66: And what is your experience that causes you to say that they should be all military? #46: Because there's a couple guys in fatigues. #66: Okay. Tell me about these guys in fatigues. What kind of uniforms are they? #46: Like jungle fatigues and there's something about a red beret with a black border ...... and guy is some kind this other of technician... He's a short guy, 5' 4", small build, about mustache ... I got the impression Spanish origin, he's he speaks Spanish rather well. #66: Tell me the experience that you at makes you say have th he's Spanish origin. Ile speaks- #46: Just ... (mumbling) ... the whole got that flavor. thing has He's just-Latin, very black, dark,vy hair, receding wa at the temples, with a mustache. #66: Am I understanding you to say thatphysical appearance his looks Latin? #46: No, but there's a, there's a, the atmosphere is whole just Spanish something. #66: All right. #46: Maybe Cuban. #66: Now, turning your attention now gestalt of the to the area- #46: Yeah. #66: The people- #46: Huh? #66: The people, this shed, the antennas- #46: Yeah. +29 #66: Describe their mission to me. Ask yourself as you perceive the target area, the shed, the people, the antennas. Move to that point and describe for me the mission of the people in the shed. PAUSE Approved For Release 2000/08/07~"*-' '&6- 0788R000400610001-1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 -00788R00040061 0001 -1 #46: Well, two military strictly maintenance people... The civilian is a tech person. Something about handling and manipulating that thing .... about direction ... I can't pin- point it ........ Finding something about direction ... maybe guidance, I don't know, I ... it just has to do with directions and azimuths. #66: Okay. Explain- it might help, now- explain for me the exper- ience you have that causes you to- #46: Cause his main function is the, is just that, winding through his technical know-how ... that apparatus outside, which has something to do with alignment and direction. #66: All right. That's good. That's very good. Let us examine the problem from a different perspective now.... You have accessed and described the target here from the perspective of the people there. Ask yourself now, when he is successful in doing what he does, what does he report to his superiors? Ask yourself, what does he report to his superiors? #46: Oh, this is ...... tough to express. What he essentially reports +33 is that it can be done this way...and it has something to do with... There's something I wanted to say (mumbling) ... Has some- thing to do with relay and ... (mumbling) ....... where he kinda takes over where somebody left off, or he initiates something that somebody else takes over from some other side. He spends his entire time doing these things. That's the best I can describe it. #66: All right. You have addressed the question what does lie report to his superiors? #46: Yeah, that it can be done this way is successful in doing this. #66: Okay. #46: Or that he was picking up from somebody else at a given point. #66: Nov/ let's turn and rephrase the question. For this you will have to broaden your horizons and deal very, very precisely with the problem at hand. Ask yourself now what is it his superiors want to know? #46: His superiors...like to know more...realize that if he can, if he is successful under these circumstances ... then he can be successful ... in reality. He can be successful in doing whaL he's doing, it can be used to be successful ... what they're trying to achieve ... It has to do with the guidance system... Approved For Release 2000/08/07 :tlA-0dft_d_-_00788 R00040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 200010tsiut 00788R00040061 0001 -1 #66: And what is it they want to guide? #46: 1 don't know. #66: 1 didn't understand you ....... #46: 1 said I don't know. #66: Okay ..... Return your perspective now to the apparatus itself that you found at the target, outside looking now at the apparatus, back away from it so that you may see it in it's entirety and that you aren't so close that you're con- fused by it, so that you may see it in it's entirety, clearly, in perfect focus, every element of it... Remember. #46: All right. #66: 1 have no further questions about the target. If there's anything you'd like to say before leaving the target area, please do -so now ...... #46: No 1, I'm all through. #66: Okay. You have no further comments? #46: No. #66: Return your focus now to me here in the room. Move your arms, move your legs, take a few deep breaths, and prepare to draw that which you have perceived. #46: Okay, uh .... this is the, the, uh, sketch #1 is a representa- tion of the grid, uh, after you described the target area. And what comes up is a scenario. What I had was a grid with a ... hill #1 and 2, located north and south respectively. Not very high hills, nothing to be called mountainsp but they're definitely something above ground, maybe 30, 40 feet, natural, man-made, I mean natural hills, with a great deal of vege- tation, uh, and heavy foliage that would be predominant in a very warm, humid type atmosphere. And to the right of the grid was a ribbon which I perceived as being water. And to the right of that more vegetation and flat land. Where I ended up was right next to the water on the sand, uh, looking towards the "V, okay, from east to west- #66: Okay. #46: Arid that's where I ended up. So much for sketch 1. The antenna site that I, uh, eventually tried to pinpoint within this scenario appeared to be about a mile, a mile and a half inland, into the jungle from the water's edge. Okay? -8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 7A7~& -00788R000400610001-1 AD Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 #66: Okay. fixit #46: And it's marked by an #66: Then when I asked you to focus more closely on the target from this overview perspective then you got down to what? #46: Yeah~ yeaho then the, uh, the picture of the, uh, circular parabolic antenna type, which was, uh, presented to me like an old, uh, an old fashioned electric heater that I've seen in the olden times. And, uh, it was, uh, circular parabolic with spokes. And I tried to count lem but I kept messing up. And I think there are about 10, 10 or 12 spokes that meet to the center in a hub there. Uh...what more can I add on the thing? It did have a back to it. The spokes were somewhat elevated from the edge of, uh, the antenna and going towards the center. Now that may be the heater syndromes I don't know. #66: Okay. #46: Okay? And, after I focused on that, this was attached to a pole, I followed the pole down about 3 or 4 feet down, maybe more, maybe 6 ... Where's thist another type antenna which I can only define as being a porcupine type antenna which I've so labeled. _Uftw~~ The, uh, length of the principle elements appeared to be about 2 feet wide. And as, if you looked at it.on a plain it looked rectangular. But there was, there was, uh, it was not a rectangular apparatus. The elements shot in various direc- tions, uh, with the lengths of the spokes diminishing as they approach the center. #66: Which gives it the appearance of a rectangleo as seen from a flat plain. #46: Yeah, yeah. From a flat plain, okay. And after I concentrated on that for a while I went farther below and found this smal- ler type apparatus, which could be an antenna which I don't recognizet but it resembled and outdoor horn or a speaker, which I've so labeled. And the fascinating thing about that one, or what caught my attention was a very, uh, silvery reflective sheett whicht uh, which was, uh, located...at the very edge of the speaker or facing the speaker. It was, uh, it was placed right there. In other words it wasn't receded, it was, it was flat with theq with the outer edge of the so called bull horn. And, uh, with an added feature that this silvery type of material has sev- eral perforations in it. 71 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 -RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 rl am Approved For Release 2000/08/0=- 6-00788ROO0400610001-1 , V #66: All rights you feel that- 'Wave #46: Almost looked like a cheesecake. #66: Were they purposeful? #46: Yeah, purpose. #66: It was, you feel that it was designed like that? #46: Yesq it was designed like that. #66: Okay. #46: Definitely. #66: Okay. Now let my try to clear up one point here. #46: Go ahead. #66: As you were describing this, of course, I was unable to per- ceive your description and I became somewhat confused as to what you were talking about here. This that you've drawn does not resemble the antennas that I showed you before the session... #46: No. #66: And, uh, I hadp I asked you are there any more of theseo the antennas hereo and you said wells yeah, there's these three. And I didn't understand that you were talking about three things on the same pole. #46: Yeah. #66: So what you find then is this pole apparatus with these three what we might call elements on the pole. #46: Yeah. #66: Did you see anything like the pictures that I showed you? #46: No. #66: Okay. #46: My attention was immediately on this and it would not leave it. And I realized that it did not resemble what you had showed me initially. And I don't remember seeing those, but that's beside the point. So I didn't fight itt I just let it come, and I figured, uh, I'll describe what I see. #66: Okay, now- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 96-00788R00040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000108/07 -)044 -00788R00040061 0001 -1 #46: Rather than try and make itq uht you know. I just simply did not see the other, the other three. Now I may have been off target or- #66: All right. That's fine. #46: -whatever have you but I have to follow instinct. #66: You did say, however, when I asked if there were any others that were maybe associated with this antenna you did say that YOU 82W~ uh, something else. #46: Yeah, on sketch #1, on both hills, the one labeled I in the north and the one labeled 2 in the south, uh, are somewhat related to, uh, the ones that we, the one that I saw, uh, which is represented by an "X" on sketch 1~ in some relay fashion. #66: Okay, you feel that there are, is something in the hills- #46: Yeah. #66: -adjacent hills that relates to this antenna somehow. #46: Yeah, yeah. They're all interrelated. #66: Okay, fine. Let's go on then with your drawings. #46: And that's, that's about it I was drawing. Oh, sketch 113 is an overview, not a very high overview, few hundred feet, maybe 300 feet, somethin' like that, maybe 400, of, uh, the site. What it is is a, it's a high- hardly perceptible clearing, in fact it's not of a, it's not quite as delineated as I have drawn it here. But, uh, the pole is more a private little circle in the "X" and right next to it is the maintenance and directional facility where I saw these three people. #66: Okay. #46: And I got the impression that they were trucked in from the water's edge by a crude road about a mile or so long through this jungle area. But the entire area is just heavy green, damp foliage. #66: Okay. #46: Okay? #66: Now, addressing these people you said you saw some people in there and you felt they should be military. And there was one that stood out because he had a white shirt on and you- #46: Yeah. Ile not only stood out by way of, because of his civi- lian attire as opposed to the other two, only because I got the impression that he was some type OF technician, whereas the other two were simply maintenance people, and he was Approved For Release 2000/08 7-eAawl P96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : Mat; W- _00788R00040061 0001 -1 #46: busily at work throughouL the entire time, dialing and mani- pulating, uh, this antenna from his control point in.the shack or the shed or whatever you want to call that building. #66: Okay. And then a little bit about his job and what he per- ceives he has to do in his job, you related something about asthmus and directions- #46: Yeah, that was, uh, that was the best I could describe it. #66: And from a different perspective then what he has to report to his bosses, and your answer to that was something about, uh, it can be done? #46: Yes, if he can do it now then when the need arises there's no doubt in anybody's mind that he can, that it'll be done. #66: Okay. #46: Whatever that- it was once removed from a reality that they were pursuing. #66: Would you call that a test maybe? #46: Yeah, something like a test, but it, but it also had a relay function. There was a dual function. #66: Okay. #46: That's where I- #66: And then to the final question- what is it that his bosses want to know? #46: 1 forget what the hell I said~ 'cause that was tough. #66: You seemed to have something about guidance. You kept- #46: That, yeaho that was confused with the purpose and the results of what was needed to assure the bosses this could be done, which is all related to the antenna. #66: Okay. #46: And these things gyrating and, but it has definitely some- thing to do with determining an azimuth and a line for gui- dance purposes. And another function is relay purposest which may or may not be so closely related with the azimuth. #66: Okay. #46: And that was difficult to, to put across. Approved For Release 2000/08/07,,1i1 '_ '~~-00788ROO0400610001-1 P96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/0 8 1 ~L4i 1 !"11 #66: Okay, here- #46: And those were all just impressions. #66: Okay, I don't have any further questions. you'd like to add about the session? #46: No. #66: Okay. 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(S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the viewer was told that he would be given a geographic coordinate of a tar et area which he had"I'viewed" 9 SG1A previously. He was shown the and told that he was to determine if there the target. (See pre-mission brief in transcript for detaiis.) 2. (S/NOFORN) At the start of the sessi n the viewer was provided the following geographic coordinate: SG1A 3. (S/NOFORN) During the session the interviewer asked the viewer to elaborate as portions of his descriptions which seemed relevant or need further explanation. NOT RELEASPE ILf7 FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 2000/08/0-AaCtA-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 .1 SG1A Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1 Next 1 Page(s) In Document Exempt Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO040061 0001 -1