6~ A- Q ym Approved For Release 200-1..,,:, 000400780001-3 y r~~r INSCOM GULL FLAME f,'ROUAM SFSSION Rf-TORT f)Ai,_ 051.63!~WJJI-7R NOF RLLrLA5';V.IF 10 FOHI IGN NATIONAI-1- Ir"Ilt'Ifliv b T A Approved For Release 2000/08/07~%-thlk~RY9t-~~N000400780001-,I,~~,~, NOT I'MEASABLE Trj.LQI~EIGN NATIUNAI~o Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 TRANSCRIPT 1166: TIME #66: This will be a Remote Viewing session for 1530 hours, 8 September 1980. PAUSE SG1A SG1A SG1A 1166: REMOTE VIEWING (RV~ SESSION D-34 Okay. This is at a pre-mission briefin(I given to the Remote Viewer. When the session starts, I will be providing you with a coordinate on a mal) sheet, a UTM coor- dinate and a map sheet number. When yo(i arrive .... at this -;I-- ky_%11;4v of your remo e viewing ability, you will #10.5: Yeah. Are you going to give me all this again? 1166: All right. Ah, at the beginning of t1w session I will give you only the ..... #10.5: All I need is the coordinates, and tht~ time; that's all I want. #66: The coordinates and the time? #10.5: Yeah. #66: Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Okay. Now, by your describing what's, Ljoing on at the target, we will then determine if there particular equipment 24 hours, so we want to know in the pa!; time during normal working hours. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 SGIA SG1A SG1A SG1A #10.5: #66: #10.5: #66: #10.5: Y166: #10.5: #66: SGIA from a description of what's going on; \11WIL Uric ac-CITTUY is at the building; what things you see in and around the building at this time. Um..hum. (Affirm) Okay. So we're going to start with this information and see ""--nInno with this information, se~jrching out what the request, the map shee Any other questions? Uh..uh. (Negative) Okay. No, that's it. Okay. #10.5: Okay. r, the UTM co(irdinate, and the time. PAUSE (Admin Note: 25 minute pause) #66: Relax and concentrate now, relax and foi~iis your attention on your tarqet for today. Your target i-; desiqnated by the SG1B Focus now in time ..... to normal working hours yesLuruay, iiurmal working hours yesterday, at the target. Move now to the target, and describe it for me as you come on the -J~ene. PAUSE 2 SG1B Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 +03 #10.5: LJh..I..uh..uti..nothing..horizontaI white line, and ... a feeling of, uh, a couple-uh-short stubby do ... rotind things like stacks ... paired up ... pair of stacks. PAUSE #10.5: Opening up through a ... looks like a-couplo layers of fencing up at a, a building that seems to have... m)mething up around its top ... under roof...looks 'bout maybe,-.... PAUSE +05 #10.5: Two or three storcys. #66: Move inside the building now. PAUSE #10.5: Looking like I'm umm..umm +07 #66: Describe hours. at this big empty curveness ... mayhe a rounded bottom in the hull of a boat ... the curv(,...bare cement... cement buttresses ... curving down ... toward me. PAUSE the activity in the building ye~-,Ierday during working PAUSE #10.5: I'm moving-I feel as though I'm in a .04ny tile lined corridor that-runs straight ... has tile lumps on the inside of it ... and, something rides along this corridor. There's ..uh..Iike a-uh-little train or a little cars... It's..uh.. what comes in here comes in from some other place. It's brought in, in these little carts. PAUSE #66: Focus solely and completely on one point in time yesterday, during working hours, and tell me specifically what activity do you perceive. PAUSE #10.5: Like I'm in this huge chamber ... in the i-cnter of the chamber is a huge circle ... I'm like in a huge chamhor that towers way up above my head. Then, I had a thing that looked like a hour glass .... like two spheres put nose to nij,,;e. #66: Describe the location of this. 3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 +13 #10.5: This is, ah, in the d..uh-a-it's like down in this chamber... umm...it's in the middle of everything. I'm in a central place that's a huge cavernous thing with raw sides...buttresses ...and it looks pretty round ... and the center of it like in an ... inside the walls with air around it is this-seeing two things. I'm seeing... this globe like thing that sits in the bottom of the cavern, and I'm seeing-umm-this hOLJC~JIOSS. thing which is made out of metal, and it's Iik(~ ah..ah..two half-spheres, but nose to nose, and it looks all bumpy. Like it's ah .... got ah... things on it, and bumps on it-ill over its surface. PAUSE #10.5: And, it's got ah ... umm...it sits up on i rack ... a pedestal- and, where they come together ... at the w~iist ... is a big bump that goes all the way around it... tAiat looks different.. it-ah-looks like a off-white porcelaiii...ummmm...um... Something TITE. Like ah... like bakelitc; something like that, but, it's.... the rest of it is both ummm sides of it are ... bumply-pimply like with... rectangular bumps. #66: It's necessary for me to know activity relating to this object at the present time. PAUSE #10.5-. Ummmm...work has been proceeding well, hot a slow, methodical pace, and the little car-carls come in periodically, and they have these small packages on them. #66: Describe these packages. #10.5: These packages are taken off the carts :ind are .... carried by hand to the side of this ... and then 1,hey're reaching up and they're securing these little pack,,ules to the ..... kind'a like sugar cubes, but, their dicnfnsion is about +21 six inches by..ummm..twelve inches by..ummm ... four or five inches deep ... two hands are needed to ujrry them, and they're reached up and.... fastened or secured lo become a pimple, a bump on the outside of this. It seems that their work is being done on the ... right half of the :.3phere ... I...ah ... and, they're ... the things are being arranged in rows around each half of the hourglass. shape ..... parallel rows of ever smaller number in each row ...... #66: And, how far along is this work? #10.5: They appear to be only throe technical people at this place .... and the .... right side is ... ah..about halfway done, Maybe four or five rows ... mounting completed. The inder- under side of this..umm ... are highly..~th..polished, and reflective ..ah..titanium, hard-super hard metal. This is the underside; the inside, but, for some roason this work is ... this thing is up over the tcchnician'.,~ heads. It's up above where they are. Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #66: Describe the dress of the technicians. #10.5: They're in-ah-white-ah..clothes... they have these ... ummin long gowns .......... They hang to their,..below their knees, and I see..ah..l had a ... funny feeling (W all standing around in their stocking feet. Gray rubher gloves on their +23 hands, and something that ties behind thoir neck ... which is like a butcher's apron. It's white, too, and it hangs on their chest. ff66: Okay. PAUSE #66: 1 want to move you now, and change your Cocus. Are you prepared for instructions? #10.5; Uh..huh (Affirmative) #66: Okay. Focus on this activity that you've been watching, and I'm going to count by twenty-four h(iur periods, by twenty-four hour periods. You are now viewing this yesterday, during normal working hours. As I count off 24-hour periods, I want you to watch what happens, and tell me when the imagery changes significantly. Tell me when they complete the work they are doing. Tell. me if there arc significang changes as I count the days. Starting now with yesterday during normal working hours....plus one day. PAUSE #66: Plus two days. PAUSE #66: Plus three days. #10.5: They're ..... They have reached the bakelite ring. #66: Plus four days. PAUSE #66: Plus five days. #10.5: 1 think they're starting to work on th(, left-side of the shell..which until now had remained..ah-uncovered with the pimples ... but now I believe they'i-f~ starting on the left .... at the rim edge. Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788RO0040'0780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 PAUSE #66: Plus five days. PAUSE #66: Plus six days. PAUSE #66: Plus seven days. PAUSE #10.5:For-ah-several days I saw changes iii ... day seven no ..... #66: Yes. #10.5:Day seven .... #66: Yes. #10.5:The uh-two-uh- it's like ching a uh-spooded time wat exposure-they went two closer and ... I saw the rings little train carts in, buL theyhadn't don(~ anything come for a while. But, was like had a.... I;ig in ..... it they arrival... of the little xes .... could do iiiything .... bo nobody and then bam-bam they started theirlittle box(~s again. .... #66: Plus eight days PAUSE #10.5: There's a... I'm seeing a lot of activity on the floor .... a .... around this thing ... not masses of people, but .... few numbers of people were sort of scurryin(I all around ..... getting things ready ..... like for an in,;pection or, +30 uh ..... 'bout two or three people in groups they're walking around and do it real fast.... like an old Chapman movie .... .... at) ....... #66: Go ahead. #10.5: The loft side of the sphere is not dowii to the porcelain ring ..... yet ..... #66: Move now to plus nine days. PAUSE #66- Plus ton days. 6 Approved For Release 2000/08107 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: 1 gah ... a feeling of the thing bcing-uh-hoistod ..a large uh..block and tackle-type thing that hantis from the roof.. an it's hoisted up and away.. Thing stilt looks like an hour glass ... and they-uh-hoistod it in the middle.. and moved it up-and there's a..at move,~; a..right from my view it moves ah-to the right-now I'm in a um... #10.5: From up high, I'm up high off the floor ~iov..with it, and I'm disappearing on a lift into a ah....,lunnel... into a ah ......... something that's high up above Ifie floor in the wall. I'm going out that way. This is iiot a pedestrian tunnel. This is ..... something that only machinery moves down, and I'm still on my ..... block and I-ackle. PAUSE +35 #66: Plus eleven. PAUSE #66: Plus twelve. #10.5: Wait, wait. PAUSE #66: Waiting. PAUSE #10.5: I'm in this other place ... it is also dc(j). I got here by passing a long distance of nothing, but I had the feeling I was encased in earth as I moved ... arid now I'm in another pit, a large pit area like before ... exci,pt now, there's something long and vertical ..... in thin. huge pit ......... and-uh-it's ..uh..moved over here for being placed in this long vertical thing-which is mct~illic, which is ......... metallically skinned .... but, this thinq that I am ....... is only a small part of the whole ...... thLng ................ and that's..uh..the feeling I'm havinq......11m in a different pit ... doing a different thing now ........ here with this ..... vertical cylinder....shored of at one, ~it one end like it is the packing end which-ah-the Iiourqiass thing has.. placed. I don't believe I'm in a silo or anything like that-the area is much too big and sp.,icious around this +39 thing ... it's ... but, this thing is bullel.-like shaped, and maybe twenty-five feet high ........ Wh;it it is, I don't know. PAUSE #66: Plus twelve. 7 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: The metallic-uh-skin is hinged and it opens ... and allows this down inside... this lowered down inside on its end ..... #66: Plus thirteen. PAUSE #66: Plus fourteen. PAUSE #66: Plus fifteen #10.5: Hum ..... nothing (turned tape over) PAUSE #66: All right. Now, we've been at this a ~onsiderablc period of time. I have no further questions- concerning the target for today, but I'd like to give you jtj!,t a couple of minutes to comment. You may move back through the last fifteen days to any point or work the present time. Feel free to comment on your own and remembcr all that you have soon so you may draw it for me. PAUSE #66: You have stated to me that on the fiflf,~enth you saw nothing else happening, that the actioti had been compleLed. (ADMIN NOTE: Statement was made to #(~6 during tape change) PAUSE #10.5: Well, I..uh..juss..ah..l don't know what this vertical thing is, but it appears to be the final rt~,,;ting place of the component ... that I was following, and the action's complete ...I should say the action of fabrient.ion is complete ... ffic-ah (sigh)..lt's about all I have. #66: All right, fine. #10.5: Give me some time ... 'bout three or 1'ritir minutes. #66: All right. I will wait. PAUSF 8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: Perf..(phonetic) area I understand now 1-he buttressing inside ... this area is build to sustain....iriterior explosions by accident .... in event of -tocidents...-and these standing in a room that has .... visible buttressing ... as actually I may not be in the room, I m.~y be outside the room .... and this buttressing is to conlain the .... uh .... accident. This movement of diverse parts .... through thick earthen areas ... by remote control and..,down unpopulated hallways, and things is another system just like that ..... it is for safety and to contain any acf-idents... that must be it .... things are moved and I had the ff~eling I was in some underground tunnel near the surface...-but that I had to go far away. #66: What distance? #10.5: It's still the same complex .... I'm looking at it now.-I'm gone from one lobe of the complex to ~mothcr ... I think the distance, though, is only several hundred yards ..... in a straight line .... and there's some sorl of lobe ... I have this lobe feeling on the building which is, ~he part of the building which has a circular aspecL...Iike I'm out on a lobe but then I moved .... with the lobe on [tie front left, left front rather I am moved to the right, but it looks like I'm almost just moving across a littli, in-field, and I'm over there now ... There's also some !;ort of a tower associated with this thing, but it doi~sn't look very significant... I'm uh ... definitely of 1he feeling that there is much more beneath the surfat,L~ than merely .... what's visible above ground....but, that much of this containment activity is done in pits, two of whi0i I was in .... and a significant emergency situation is d'ji,tated when a movement is caused because the urn... stuff mus]. be raised up out of the pit to go be transferred over into another ............. pit-like area-and, that means it's up near the surface .... it's still in a crack in the ground ... moved along this lined crack-tunnel in the ground ... but, it'd.;, it's all done remote-but, it's still up high, and they don't like that when it's up there like that. They 1~ke it when it's down in the bottom. PAUSE #66: Anythinq to add? #10.5: I'm working. PAUSE #10.5: 1 have a feeling of movement of the linished device ..... #66: Report. Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDPS%-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: Okay. it's umm-by railcar. I'm seeing what I think was my final thing... it's laying in a Flatcar all bracketed up an ... special bracing and support ai) stuff an-it-uh.. de parts from that-um-right-hand ar(,.k across the ball field across the infield area, on the righL 1'rom the knob thing. An' I just, you know, just see-this is not a mass thing though. It's one..lousy thing at a thiie. Only one rail car. It's not um ... it's being pijIled by itself. It's being moved, but the thing is abi-mit as long as a ..... from what I can see, it's like tuto thirds the length of the railcar.... Another feeling that Lt goes by its ...... leaves by itself ..... you know. Maybe -,ome sort of escort cars, but ... not a big long tram. There's no big stockyard or ..... rolling stockyard here. It's like a..just a couple spurs go out of the kicility and ... that's about it. #66: Okay. PAUSE #10.5: Humm.... that's all I got. 1166: All right. Let's prepare to draw the Lmages you had, then. PAUSE #10.5: Okay. One of these places where I wi~;, was I felt was a uh-there's a plethora of weirdness W)out this place! Many things to talk about that are uimsual. I'm inking in here. What I'm inking in is a sketch of what may be like a hallway. And, what I've drawn alonq the walls here is what I referred to as these flying buttresses. They're exterior and what I thought, aL first, was that they were .... that I was in a room. Later on, dur.iiig the freo-flow part of the session, at the very end of it, I felt that the rooms were actually on the OUtSid08, W this corridor, and that they weren't these things were in there in order to contain some sort of a blast-accidr-tital explosion or something. Anyway, this is hallway, period, nothing more to it. Oh! Wait a minute, I had the feelitiq of movement like I was moving on a cart down a porceliin tile lined.... I had this feeling that the cart was in sovic nitch. It was really weird design. PAUSE #10.5: What I'm drawing in two is a cross-.,;i,ction ..... of this tunnel. This is just a cross-sectioii type thing here, and that this tunnel was tiled ... with some surt of a ~ghioy tile. And, that ..... the movement was like ()n a single or maybe a double rail, but, that I was up above and floating in this..... Approved For Release 2000/08107: CIA-RDPAY-00788RO00400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: .... something that went down this thinq....on top of these ledges like, say for example, I'll draw in in dotted lines, then .... some sort or a cart .... pl~)Iform ... moving platform ... that went along this thing.._~;uspended somehow from this .... okay .... one or two rails. 11. moves down the hall and back down some sort of transfer,'it or..mm ..... system. Okay. And, this is attached somiliow with a question mark. I don't know how it mov(-~ or is elevated above the rail or not. Okay. ow, came to an key ... spent all my time in a place that was ljki~ thiss. "Finally" #66 says (ha, ha) "It's about time." PAUSE #10.5: Sort of rounded at corners, pit-likc. I had the feeling definite feeling I was underground. Or, you know .... under ...... #66: This is after I asked you to go inside the building with the fencing around it? #10.5: Oh, yeah. #66: And, you're saying now that you (nay havf, been more than just inside the building; you may be down .......... #10.5: Yes. #66: In the ground? R0.5: Right ..... Oh 1 Damn. How do I begin (IT'Nwing hero'? #66: I'm interested in the view of the hour illass object. #10.5: Yeah, I know, but it has relevance. I'm trying to put it all in there. #66: All right. #10.5: Uh ... it's more bell-shaped than that. 1hey're two perfectly matching hemispheres. Okay. And, whal they wore doing was they were ...... this hemisphere looked pi.mply. You know. What I was trying to do when I was des(,ribing pimply was ... it looked .... it had these little rectatigle boxes all over it. Like that, okay. This is the shiny iiv-,idc. Okay. And, Gol-darned it, I started those backwards~ 'cause they start at the lip and go in. Okay. I'll just di,aw you this one ......... Okay. Now, this thing was like up above a .... it was like up. I couldn't figure out what was holdincl it up in the air. I didn't see anything like that, but, down below it is the technicial level ..... in which these quys are ummm ......... This little platform buggy comes in, ptills up, and it's got 11 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5-. the boxes on it. And, there's a guy ihat rides the thing. Okay. Buggy pulls up, and the technicians are these three guys that are dressed in white, and have like moon-boots on their feet. Somolhing that looked like ... It reminded me of the sock th;tt I used to wear when I was an aircraft cleaner. Knor length bib-and-tuckcr. #10.5: Anyway, the technician retrieves the hox and walks over to the side of this shiny hourglass Litanium type of y gray steel and the inside is shiny ..... the whole thing is this shiny titanium steel gray type thing. And, then these boxes which are also matching color, they're the same thing. They're-seem to be metillic, are placed around the outside of it. Okay. #66: You've drawn an arrow to the center p(irtion, and then you didn'L label it. #10.5: Yeah. That is the..pspsps .... what did I call it? Something porcelain, like bakelite, which is noL porcelain by the way, I know that, but sorry. And, that's in the middle part here, and that's the dou(Ilinut. #66: Okay. #10.5: And, this is a big place that goes w;iy up high over the head. It's one largo room. Three Li,ifinicians in white costume with socks on feet. We call-d them wing-socks. Somebody might know what they are. `Ikay. They start from the outside and they work in toward [he bakelito doughnut, and they go around and they mount thuse things in progressive rings, uh-circles, you know. ConcuiiLric circles, but of diminishing, uh, circumference of the titanium. #66: You draw me an insert ..... #10.5: Sphere. #66: ... of one of the little pieces that i,,; put into the hourglass shape. #10.5 Uh ... picked up like this ... two hand,-, #66: Are they all the same size? #10.5: 1 couldn't tell. I thought they wei~f!, and the reason I thought they were is because fewer bind fewer were needed. The circles got smaller, and they didn't have to use as many of them. But, it's just a dull, sLool-gray. And, it was sort of ..... I did not know H these were boxes 12 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: ... or if these were blocks, if you follow me. If they were solid or empty. But, they had rounded ... u-c-corners like a lead brick would have, you know. It wcm-s off, and it's rounded; it's not sharp metal, sharp like a box. When you make a metal box it has a sharp edge tm) it. Dull steel- gray with dull corners. #66: Okay. Draw a dotted line so we know that Lhat's a CLIt Out kind of, and label it. I guess. #10.5: And, this was about ..... they would pick tht-!se things up, they'd pick them up with two hands, and il would spread across the palm. So, it's maybe, it's no[ 6 inches by 4 inches, maybe it's more like, ah ... nuh, nuh, it's ;ibout 6 inches, 6 inches, 12 inches (sneeze) ... okay. #66: So these are either boxes or bricks that 1hey pick tip, then? #10.5. Uh huh (affirmative). #66: What was the overall size of the hourgla,_;,; object? #10.5: Good's this bed. #66: As large as a-uh-tvin bed? #10.5: Yeah ... in length. It was-uh-let's see. It vas..uh.. 'cause each one of these sides, the like ... it's funny...1 would of expected to find i sphere that was put together like this. Not a sphere thnL made it an hourglass shape, and then being connected in the ci-riter. But from lip-to-lip of this .... and they're perfeclLy symeLrical, they're identical ... you could take the Lhings around and put them together, and have a perfect tJlaniom ball. Okay. But, instead they're mounted this way. And, from tip-to-tip of the edge, is maybe ... ah shoot ... say P-ight feet .... oops. I made an inch sign. It should be a feet. Eight feet to nine feet, and from here to here would b( ...... four feet. Okay. #66: Okay. #10.5: All right. That's three. #10.5: Okay. The boxes ...... it looked like....,_[1m saying the thing looked pimply. Okay. Like these boxes were raised bumps on the outside so that, if I looked at it this way, I would see this. #66: You're saying that they don't protrude (4)wn into this spherical thing; hemispherical thing? They're achially fit onto the outside of it in some way? 13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: Well, yes. The reason is because the, well, I didn't look at the inside of one of those-when il had all the things on it. Okay? #66: Um..humm. (Affirmative) #10.5: Okay. I didn't look at the outside of-once-uh-all the work was done, I didn't look at the ip.,~ide once all the work was done, so I dont-, know if they protrude down into the shell or not. #66: Okay. #10.5: Okay. I can't say. The only thing f -an remember seeing when I looked in there was polished slf,,el-like gray shiny metal. With rivets holding it, you know, a couple of rivet seams like thing. So, I don1t helieve tha ... I don't believe that they protrudod down into it at all. If they did, then that would mean all sorts of analytical stuff that I still don't think they would. Anyway ... and these... uh ... rings are mounted, okay boxes fa!;Lened from end to middle. They did the right hand one ('trst .... okay...into middle-and then they started on the left hand one. PAUSE #10.5: Okay. And, the walls around there.-it's all white, shiny, sterile almost, looking something to do with sterility, cleanliness, no dust. Had a definite dust- free type situation with those wing !mcks 'an these heavy, white tunics and they're, they're heavy too, they're thick, puffy. Not puffy lik(~, not puffy like we have a..uh..onc of the modern winter Jackets, down-filled.. not that kind of puffy. Puffy like-um-this mattress pad, you know, how it's thick, and iLls allout a half an inch thick. #66: All right. #10.5: Okay. Gray plastic gloves, that they were touching this stuff with, they would ....... these gLAys all dressed in white would-take ... one or two would come in on the cart, and they would lean over and they'd 14ck it up off the back of the cart, when they were ready. Mdn't always happen just when the cart rolled in, and th(,y they'd reach up and they'd put this thing up an the -.ide and there's some sort of mounting, fitting brackets 1hat held this thing together. Like-uh-uh-snap brackels, you know, those heavy aircraft-type panel "POP riXtUPOS. The thing would fit in a little square, and I think I.hat what was happening was they were fitting it, and somehow these thinqs were "popping" down around the edges of if, to hold iL ......... okay. i.e., uh.."pop" bracket inserl.. What Im referring to as a "Pop" bracket is a long bar which is spring loaded, Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP9§iPO788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: and it rocks back. T will draw )n end view-okay. So that this thinq sprinqs down ... s pT-i.nqs ovi,r and grasps the edge of -little box.... such as thi,~; is the, "All position and here is the '111" position. . ~, - - . Somehow it, it comes down and it holds the box ... ok;)y...fastens down ... that's all I cart ... this, this sprinq ... okay. That's four. Now, what happened is you know we started marching through time here, and I didn't knou what the heck was happening.... Oh! There was Ii ..... I don't knovi when 1he days were but, you know I just saw business as usual For a day or two, you know, an occasional putting one of' these boxes on it.... putting, you know, a little cart would pull up and the guy would put a box on it ........ Then it wis like there was nothing happening .....for about two or 1hree day period of time ..... 'an I was .... saying, you know ..... wait, there's nothing .... you know, I was saying, oh, what'd I do? Lose it? You know, and all of a sudden you said the magic number of the next day 'an al-day whatever it wai, and all of a sudden "boom-boom-boom" there were like two or three rings of boxes were put on real fast. okay. On the right-hand side ..... still no work on the left-hand ;ide, but the right- hand side like, it was like watching oni, of these time ...... speed-up of a flower open, you know. #66: Um hum (Affirmative). #10.5: tgoes "chung-chung-chung" well, this wa:~ jus .... all of a sudden the b ..... I could see these lit--,lie boxes going "blububub-blubub" all around it, okay. then, there was like business as usual for a couple days, and then there was.... all of a sudden it was like watching a tharlie Chapman film. #66: Um hum (Affirmative). #10.5: Chaplin film, rather. There were like two or three guys, and they were hustling all around the pla(-. Oh, wait a minute, then they went and did the left side ... I don't know, we'll have to check the transcript, I can't i~(,mem ...... anyway, these two or three .... this little cluster of people was like buzzing all around this place like an ant. They weren't doing anything with the butterfly thincl, okay .......... the hourglass thing, they were leaving Mat alone, but they were walking around, and they were doinq things at various places around this thing. And, then wil,hin a day or two after that, the thing went out through 1,hc roof. Okay. It was like completed and was moved up ...... It was raised up high over the ceiling .... high under Lhe ceiling in this pit like place. This round, deep pit, maybe thirty feet ...... 15 Approved For Release 2000/08107: CIA-RDP96-00788R(YO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: deep .... it went up maybe twenty feet off the rloor on a .... hook, block and tackle arrangement, and went Out ~ side... it Went out a hole in the wall. 'an as it... .'an it wail like all automated, you know, nobody was doing it by hand, it wr; like being ...... adj ... it was... thing was hanging down below the block and tackle and it got lined up, and then it just startod moving very slowly down through this hole in the wall. Now, when I went there with itl this hole in the wall .... I ~ifill felt like I was still underground, but that T was up i~(.-ar the surface now, and that, that.....thing which looked -limilar to sketch two again, okay, it was a crack .... uh-horizontal crack.. and this thing was being moved down this crark in the earth's surface.... it was still all shiny and white 'an tiled surfaces but it was being moved by itself down a hallway. Uh .... down this crack-way whatever it is, okay. But, iinlike sketch two, where the platform, that contained whatever it contained, is elevated up on a rail or something, in this one it's a suspended from the ceiling type of arrangement, but the layout is essentially the same. #66: Okay. #10.5: And, this was done with no people around. 1here weren't any people around holding it or making sure thni it didn't bang into anything. It was just ... it knew just wher(,..uh..machine was taking it, just where it had to go.... it hud clearance, and it just moved along, automated. So, I'm crui~;ing along this white wall, wa ... watching this thing now that ha:; bumps on both the left hemisphere and the right hemisphere ... has hiimps on it, and it's being suspended from the ceiling, and, itli~ moving along through this place that's ricar the Surface of the i~,-irth, and ..... it comes out in another room-pit-room which is very similar to the one where the apparatus started in. Except Mit in this ........ PAUSE #66: This, uh..pit area was different in some w;jy? ( Fape switched) #66: You were saying that it is different in ~inwe way? #10.5: Yeah. It's different in the nature of wh~d is in the pit, bottom of this thing. Uh ... which is this shiny rylinder, titanium like again, same type of metal tube, maybe fouf feet in diameLer, twenty feet long, standing on end, and somohow this hourglass thing is placed down inside this cylinder which has a hinged nose-piece on one end, okay. #66: What is the size relationship? You've told us the size of the hourglass thing, what is the size relatioiship between the hourglass and the cylinder? 16 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: Well, I've sort of tried to draw it hCT'(', but I ...... #66- In proportion? #10.5: Yeah, in proportion... ...... #66: Okay. #10.5: Uh .... but, I'll draw it .... #66: If your depiction there is in proportion, then ..... #10.5: It stays in the one end, okay, I'll do it. a..yeah, it's pretty much in proportion; this is eight feet and it's sort of in the background, I guess, the way I'vi, drawn it. Okay. So, anyway ...... #66. That's fine, if it's in proportion it'd; Vine. #10.5: Okay, and the right side goes down firfA. I don't know if that makes any difference. I'll draw a little diagram here, dotted line, okay. And, it scoots down inside, like that.... that's the hourglass .... and, I think it stays in the upper end; I'm not sure what's in the bDttom end. I don't knout. PAUSE #10.5: And, this thing is on some sort of a prdestal, just like the other one was...okay, and it's just moved out and it's tilted up on its end, and it's dropped down into this cylinder. That's it. White, shiny-and there',, :ilways throughout this whole thing, theres always this feeliiiij of depth .... like I'm standing at the bottom of .... well, I made one comment. I said, "I don't think this is a silo."...becau~,e it's too big for that. I mean this thing is ... oh, that'-,3 when I was talking about this, because, all of a sudden I felt, well, this might be a missile. But, I don't think it',,. i missile, because it's so dwarfed by the area in which it is. It couldn't possible be a missile. But, it is 2 ctinLainer of some kind, standing on end, that's it. But, othurwise, it's this biq, wide, round, open room around it ... th,-fls very deep. That's five. 10.5: Okay. And, then I had the feeling that when it got there, and they closed this thing up on the end ol it, that the action was consummated. That was it. That ums .... at least for that small part of whatever was going ()n that I was looking at, that was completion. It was done-finis. And, I was sitting there, and then you let me work in free-flow for 17 Approved For Release 2000/08107: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: ... a while, and, I was sort of sitting Jhcre tak ... you know, watching this thing, and, all of ,j sudden this thing appeared on a railroad car. Uh... I was-like getting some impression of the out ..... Let me dravi you this ...... #66: I'm somewhat concerned-uh-because the f'ree-flow of time was froe-flow in time, that ... was this cyl.fiider thing then, coming to the installation on a railroad car or leaving from the installation on a railroad car; aftor Niving the hourglass installed? #10.5-. 1 think it was leaving. 1/66: Okay. PAUSE #10.5: There.. wa... there wer-there was roundness here, I don't know where it was. Anyway, when I talk about... this is the infield ... f-i-e-l-d, this is the thing I talked about the in- field. I think I was here in this rOLIF)d area, okay, that's below surface. #66: Is this a picture of the building or what? #10.,5: Yeah. This is this feeling that I had From the outside. Hum ..... I want to make this round, too. So, I'm going to. It doesn't look right unless it's round. Okay. This is the in- field area. This is the start... I thiiik, this is start, okay, and, then the equipment, whatever this I.hing is, that was in the Ferry, or, uh, in the overhead crane, was taken along just below the subsurface level .... like thal, see. It comes over across the infield, here, in under thc~ building, but, it comes over across the infield to the last-J.his is the start, and this was the finish area, I think. Now, out here in the outskirts, around the infield area, ww, barbed wire fencing. And, here is from ... is where the two r~tiiroad tracks...Ieft from. And, I think they went that way, okay. The thing was loaded... the cylinder was loaded on a railroad flatcar and covered, about two-thirds of it, and vi(,nt out that way. Okay. So, here's the start, here's the fini~;h. Fence on surface .... do you got what I'm talking about her(,? #66: Um hum (Affirmative). #10.5: This .... #66: What you call the infield is actually Lhe building area with ...... 18 Approved For Release 2000108/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10.5: But, it's in between two wings. #66: Okay. #10.5: Or, not really regular winqs; they're noL wings like we have. They're not square. They're sort. of-one is .... the buildinq is constructed weird so 1hat there's no real-nobody can look in anybody else'-; window. #66: Okay. #10.5: Okay? So, what I'm referring to as tht, infield is the area between the two rings, one of-wings-one of them was out on a protrusion, that's the start plac(~, and the other one was like a know on one end of the building. #66: Okay. #10.5: On one corner of the building, on the ind.... #66: Which coincides with the two pit area!; you described? #10.5: Yeah. Which ..... This is what I thliik is the double pit area. #66: Okay. #10.5: Okay? And, this is a low, two sLorey Wilding complex, which, when I looked at this idea with x-ray vision, is when I detected that the buttresses were on the exterior of the rooms inside it, and were not on the interiors of (lie rooms. In other words, the buttresses were to hold thr rooms up, rather than-in other words to keep them from explodir)q instead of keeping them from collapsing. #66: Okay. #10-5: Okay, and I saw ... real quick I saw a ~;chematic of just .... that's what I was talking about m the beginning of the session when I said I felt like I was in the hull of a ship. All these things coming down from sides, wherever I looked was these, but ... buttresses and reinforce- ment beams coming down in big curves. #66: Okay. I understand what you're sayimj now. #10.5: Okay, okay. I've written underground, but near the Surface, and that's for this-uh-overhead crnne type thing th-at trans ....... #66: Okay. #10.5: ..... ferrys it from one place to anot.her. #66: Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RD046-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10. 5: All right. Anyway, then, I had. . uh. . pict-. uh. Just this thing-firsI, first way I've drawn the. box around it because I'm going to doL in the rest of it.-okay, there you can see .... as though it's a cut away view of the box, this thing is in it, and it's on the .... and, only takes up like two-thirds of this ..... of a car. White box covering. And it's moved with only a few companion cars at most. Just ;i few. I didn't see this thing being loaded with fifty of them going in to.... fifty Pailcars pulled on a big, massive siding. It was just a little siding, and a little engine, lit1te steam engine chug-chug-chugged up, hooked onto it, they might put a caboose on the end of it; maybe a couple of troop (,ars, something like that .... and then they drive off with it. And, that would be it. Okay, and this is a ...... building iii the background there, okay. #66: Number that drawing, please. #10.5: What've we got ..... seven? Okay. 1/66: That's fine. #10.5: What more do you want. I can't think o1' much more. #66: 1 think that you've drawn everything that we talked about. Do you have a feeling about-uh-the difforence in time between day fifteen when you said it was completed, and the time that it's moved on the railcar? #10.5: Only ..... three or four days most. Maximtim. I had this constant there was no, no system here; it was li.kf, they were tailor making this thing, you know. Everythinq was new. They had made a couple more before, but it wasnt a m,-r;s production line, it was one step at a time, just boom, boom, boom, and, the and like when the guys in the first pl,,ice, when the thing was lifted up and it went out, it wasn't ljkt~ another one came right in, it was like, well, okay "got i~id of that," You know. "That one's done." They weren't waiting for another one that would come right in. And,..uh..l don't know if they went to the other place and did that part, I don't know if ...... I didn't see any continuity of people moving or familiar faces or anything like that. But, it was lik(, they get ..... they do one at a time. No mass production at all. Uh ... it was like danger; they were very, very, you know ... it was like very delicate work. Very concerned. they weren't afraid, but they were doing very delicate and deli[wrate work every stop of the way, and if the thing didn't show up in time, that didn't bother anybody. They'd wait until the thing got there before they'd do something. You know. Like quality workman- ship. Okay. You give me the perfect [uirt, and I'll put it in the perfect machine. But, don't qiv(,. me a blotched part. 20 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0400780001-3 #10. 5: 1 don't care that the machine gets Out. (if' here at o certain time. I want it to be perfect when it get's out. #66: Okay. #10.5: That type of a thing. And,..uh..the wail- ,at the other place was only a couple days at the most. Miybc four days at the max.... before the train showed tip oi the flatcar showed up, was wheeled in through Lhe fence, h;icked up there, and ... and I did not see the loading proce,;,;. I just 3aw the thing on the flatcar, and then shored up ..... it was shored up. It was sitting in some sort of shoring, and then the box went around it "bam" just like that to !onceal it type thing more than to really do anything wi,.afficr-wisc or anything like that. More to just conceal it. #10.5: The other thing uas..uh..the vulnerability of this thing when it got near the surface-it wasn't rc,.illy vulnerable when it got .... up and was being trundled down the ..... this little alleyway from the overhead.-suspended from the overhead crane, it was just that, oh, this is a very delicate time, we have to be extra careful Lhot nothing goes wrong because it's up near the surface now. In other words, like, .if there was an accident in one of Lhe pits-um-the pit might be destroyed, but if there was ~jii accident when it was up near the surface, there'd be a loll inore destruction. Would happen, you know, just because (d an explosion or something like that. You know. An ac,-idcnt31 type thing. Uh ... It's like, ummm...you know ... the f)Id situation when you Lake your dog out for a walk. You know. That type of a thing. When the dog's in the house y(..i(j don't have to worry about him biting somebody, but when ymi take him out on the street, that's when he'll bite somoborly. You know, 'cause he's out and there's other people ouL Lhere, you know, that's when the more sensitive time is. #66: Okay. #10.5: You know. I can hypothesize and overyLhing through it. I did not expect what I saw to be whaL I saw ... what I looked at...'an it was all sort of weird to have that hourglass shape ... hollow ended hourglass... 'an ;ill Lhat kind of stuff. 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