Approved For Release 20 gW&.-RE)P96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 ,"_i LL.. I % INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH DATED: 051630ZJUL78 NOT RELEASABLE TO FOR El IONALS REVIEW ON: !~~Cx- G>Oog c CC D -t~ Approved For Release 2000%R7-tw1A--R-DPi6QR "OU"IdE Approved For Release 2022/08/07 - '7:- 6-00788ROO0500240001 -1 r SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-26 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request for information concerning ttle activities of SG1A 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any inter- mediate analysiso evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the docu- ment Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the vidwer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing infor- mation provided the remote viewer. NOT RE JL*A LE .L __LtTJ0,-FqJE19t1-NATIONALS ,%"OR C Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 11,77, 6777;" % L~ TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DC-26 TIME #66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1400 hours, 3 December 1980. Relax and concentrate now. Relax and concentrate. Focus your attention now solely and completely on SG1A whose picture I have shown you. Focus solely and completely on Now move ac war s through time. Move backwards through time facusin on Mnwr~ hnntewnrric~ t-hrniinh f imp. f-n SG1A +08 #10.5: 1 got a ...... it's off a window ... I feel like I'm up several stories ... got some sort of framing around it ............. I keep seeing this ... like cluttered desk ... #66: What makes you say cluttered? #10.5: It has things scattered all over the top of it. #66: Describe these things to me ... #10.5: Almost like a....a pencil holder .... papers, loose papers.... +10 Upper left corner-is like a... a basket thing .... books, pam- phlets, and ...... it sits against the wall ... some sort of framing thing ... like a window lookout or a ... something square like a window would be ... right over top of it ...... I'll work on him for awhile. #66: 1 will wait. PAUSE #10.5: Wait, I have a. . li~.'... 6 ,,.a movement. . ~Hel'sij uh.. like he, uh, just walked through a large doorway, like a office building or ... hotel ... modern...overcoat...raincoat. ;(Q)M r% r01% Approved For Release %§Q7. W&RTPqr%_n0788R000500240001 -1 Approved For Release 2V"VPQ Qr-- = = r 0788ROO0500240001-1 #66: Remember we want only PAUSE #10.5: (Mumbling) ... a desk again ... It's only a small room'~#side I got him ... sitting like very patiently ... to the righ +17 of the room ......... This little room is, uh , like someplace off the hallway. #66: Okay. #10.5: And you look through the door and you can see the back of his chair. #66: Okay. Now ... standing behind him and looking over his shoulder,.what is he doing? What is he doing? SG1A #10.5: Well, it's like he's ... in a half standing, half seated position. His back is to the back of the desk. He's facing more towards the door, offset to the left of his door. It's like he's leaning against something that is butt high ... To the left of the door that I got is this funny rack. some kind of a v-, a floor to ceiling ... uh, rack thing, like a, uh, metallic bookcase. #66: Okay, now- #10.5: And, uh, I'm having this, uh, feeling that he's listening to +19 a set of very funny earphones. #66: Okay, let's expand the time window from exactly SG1A to plus or minus 5 mi utes fro that time frame, plus or SGJA minus 5 minutes from And as you look at that SG1A broader time window report PAUSE #10.5: T'fiisf, U'hli~ ...... I get, 'Lih ~ ... sitting, leaning over, writing at his table, sort of in a very cramped and scrunched-up way, like someone who sits and writes an awful lot, hunches over the paper.... and makes a...some sort of a special writing, or drawing, like he's being very particular, like he's ... almost draftsman, like he's ... got a jeweler's eyepiece. And he's scrunched way over and the light shines down over his head. And-there's some sort of a straight edge and there's... straight lines on the paper. That's one, but then the.... then he like gets up and goes to that leaning position. I see him in that position...Wait.... , The, guy I saw before... was different, he's waiting ... they said. He's a different man... Ile was skinnier, and he had a gray suit on. I don't know if it was him or not ... Something to do with a, uh, the guy I first saw in here wasa ... more of a hawk faced guy, narrower face, skinnier ... wearing like a gray tweed suit. r~ f5 Approved For Release 20001=7.N a'FA\4WDP§6-00788ROO0500240001-1 Approved For Release 2000, 0% MV IQ QJQM 88ROO0500240001 -1 T1_.J L~ %a V\ L. I #10.5: The way he was sitting I thought it was very funny because he was like waiting. He was. He was like waiting with his hands crossed in his lap. In a leaning position like he was waiting for someone to come. #66: And the one at the desk? Is he SG1A #10.5: 1 think so, but he sits at the desk. And as I'm looking at .him he's leaning over the desk. I'm sitting on the desk amongst all his clutter. And that's where I have the ... that's where I have him with the, uh, black caps on his ears ... like black caps on his ears. #66: And is this the one who is writing? #10.5: Yeah... #66: Okay. In the precise time frame of him sitting at the desk and writing, look around the desk again as he's sitting there, when he writes, look around the desk again and tell me what else is on the desk ... in that specific time frame where he's writing ............... #10.5: There's a ... (mumbling) looks like a - - -Inch thick pamphlet. Not a bound book but a pamphlet .... There is something :a. by my right here .... which looks like earplug capsules, con- tainers, earplug containers. Something small, round, cylin- drical like that ... They're just sorta haphazardly laid... to his upper right. And around under where I am is a ... some more papers there I can't make,out. There're like stacks of things on him desk, it's not;fou.r or five individuals. These are like four or five things that make a inch and a half, two inches high... in places... Uh....most of- I'm getting this feeling of like...semi-formal pamphlets. Not bound textbooks, but ... thick pamphlets of many pages that are final product, but they arenot what you would buy in a store, they are what.you would send to your... you know, your review board or your final study board. #66: Okay. Now as he's sitting here writing, being very metiCUIOLIS about what he's writing and lots of concentration, ask him to show you what it is he's doing. Ask him to show you what it is he's doing. PAUSE #10.5: I'm, uh, completely the last work on this.... a very funny word. First I thought he said tri ... as in three, but it's like tricular ... tricular or triculateral ... #66: Ask him to show you how he does this. CM =IQ W& Approved For Release 2QQ WMT 00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 20qo/db/,67!-.-nc KkF&T9- 0788ROO0500240001-1 #10.5: He points to the pamphlet by his riqht. It's a quarter i-, three eighths inch thick..;,Jt..is " ~...blue cardboard, heavy paper... Like he gets it from there. The word was like I Nftv~ take it from here, meaning he gets it from there ... This document has a roundish design an the blue cover that ... reminiscent of a, uh ... it's roundish then it has another line on it. And it, for some reason it is reminiscent of a... the texture of the thing looked like a... fleetingly a husk of a ... peanut. Like it had little marks all over it. Anyway I'm getting an idea that he transcribes specifically important things on...out of this lightp light blue bound pamphlet ... #66: Ask him what is the purpose of what he's doing? Ask him to tell you what is the purpose of what he's doing ..... I.* ... #10.5: 1 got a, uh ... ah, my friend, that is very difficult to say. He is sending this information on somewhere, I know. That came from the last question too ... This-process is extremely important. It's a process that he is concerned with, not a thing, but a process. #66: 1 understand. What is the ... ask him what is the ... tool most important to this process. Ask him what is the tool most important to this process ... #10.5: 1 had a, uh ... ask him to show me the tool ... Had the impres- sion it's inside of a, uh ... plunging valve, uh, black cast steel or some such, and it's some sort of a movable part in it. You can imagine a short, squat, very stubby cast metal hypdermic of considerable weight. The thing thats plunges in and out is lighter polished bra-, uh ... polished metal of some kind, like it's a valve or a special pump action. Some sort of a plunging action on the one end. #66: What's it's shape, it's general shape? ... #10.5: Like a short, squat hypodermic needle. #66: All right. #10.5: But larger. #66: Are you saying it's cylindrical as opposed to pyramidal or cubic? #10.5: Yes,. and it's ... got two things that stick out of the top and the bottom. #66: Okay. #10.5: At one end. The other end is a little bit tapered, #66: Okay. I understand this object. Now, I want to know about Approved For Release 200W L~' Z"'VOX-5-00788RO00500240001-1 Approved For Release 2000/08/6 --'-,F-TA-A&6QX 0788ROO0500240001 -1 #66: the thing that this object fits into. +40 #10.5: All right, lot me focus again, I'm out. Let me get back down and sit on his ashtray or whatever it is here.... Well, this is a key control in a process factor..:~a*c*~O*;: It's a key control factor in the process. #66: Yes, I understand that. And we want to know- #10.5: 1 know, I'm working. #66: Okay. PAUSE #10.5: I'm getting it as being a part of a large massive engine of some sort ... not engine engine, but I mean the machine complexity of some sort that is here in this facility. It is long and black-and massive, like a large transformer is. Huge, huge transformer, 20 feet high and I mean maybe 12-15 feet high, maybe 24 feet long. The..~it has generally cylindrical shape tube, but it is not hollow or plunging or anything, it is packed with processing aspects and components. But the key thing that identifies this thing is some sort of a upsweeping rectangular on the end of it, like it's bulk is two different levels. It has one lower right hand level at 12 or 15 feet, but the left hand level is bigger and it comes out and up in a rec-, more rectangular feeling. #66: All right, I have- #10.5: It's on somewhere else, let me go back to him... 0.0.0..0 #66: We are, uh, out of tape time now, and I'm concerned about the accuracy of your drawings as they now exist. You have any final comments before closing? #10.5: No. #66: Okay. Let's then turn to drawing as accurately as possible those things that you have at this time. Okay,.go ahead. #10.5: Okay, um, sketch one here I have M.sitting here at SG1/ the desk. He's bending over very methodically transcribing something. Uh, he's located in a very small cluttered office, scientist o-, scientific office type of place. And I had the impressions that what he was transcribing had to do with the document that's on his, by his right elbow which is blue and has a funny circle on the top of it. Okay, um... #66: You said things like, talked about a draftsman and paying attention to what he was doing, and that what he was doing took some mental effort. Approved For Release 2000-/0-8TO7f""CMFWPIM-00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 201 00788ROO0500240001 -1 #10.5: Yes, I- also on the paper here you can see like there's a, there's a ruler out, there's a straight edge out. It's not like he is necessarily coding something, which is an abstract writing process. It's like he's copying something that is of a design nature and so he needs to draw straight lines ... and he may need to label as well, but the, you know. 'Cause I saw lines on this paper that made like 72 degree angle. #66: Some sort of geometric shapes? #10.5: Some sort of geometric shape- #66: Okay. #10.5: -was on the paper. That would be unusual in a hand written letter. #66: Okay. #10.5: Or a- somethin' like that. #66: Okay. #10.5: In front of him there's a window. That's about it for sketch one, really. Now, I guess, I guess I went off the- #66: Okay, we've got the tape turned over now. #10.5: Okay. I guess I got off the bean when you asked me about ... maybe I directed you off, or got you off the bean when I said this thing, what he's doing is concerned with an, with a process. He's concerned with a process. What I was getting at was he's conc-, he's reportingt he's writing about a pro- cess which is of interest, and he needs to write this and send it on somewhere. Or, or maybe copy the diagrams and send it on somewhere. And then in response to what is the mairi thing about this process, I was still tracking the item of his interest. So the process of his interest is directly related to this thing in sketch two, which looks like an eyedropper, or something like that. #66: Okay, so what you're saying, the information in the documents in front of him is about a process which concerns the thing that you've drawn in sketch two. #10.5: In sketch two, right. #66: Okay. #10.5: But it's not an eyedropper in the sense that it's not an inch and a half long, it is something which is rather large and is a larger mechanical device. Uh ... three to four feet long. #66: Okay. Approved For Release 2000/08/V 00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 2000 0788ROO0500240001 -1 I 'VLL..-r7__ #10.5: And eight to ten inches in diameter. And this thing is like a 'IT" valve or something that regulates flow of something. The plunger on the.left moves in and out and therefore, and thereby regulates some flow in this process. And this is a key thing in the process that he's interest in. #66: Okay. And this is what he's writing about- #10.5: This is what he's writing about, yes. #66: Okay.. #10.5: And it's black, heavy black metal. Cylindrical, gently taper- ing on the right, the cylinder,on the left is shiny and plunges in and out and does not taper that I know of. It might- but there is some up and down flow out of these stubs that stick out of the thing up and down. Like flows into the big heavy metal cylinder and -then is directed up and down to get out of it. And I know I have not drawn holes or.anything that would indicate that, but there is some sort of an out- ward movement outsider away from the cylinder. That's sketch two. Now, the thing in sketch two is a part of the large thing in 3A. This large thing in 3A is transformer in size, massive transformerness, 12 feet in diameter and 22 feet long. It's also black heavy metal containing all sorts of complex, super complex functioning stuff. Only one minor part but the key part to the process that this equipment represents is sketch 2 and it's located down in the back end and under the rectan- gular part of it.. Somewhere down below in the bowels of this big piece of stuff. #66: Okay. And again this is all what he's writing about. #10.5: Writing about, not how he's writing. #66: Okay, I understand. #10.5: Okay. #66: And how 'bout three B now? #10.5: Three B is... I just put that in there, that's my version of what was like printed on pale blue cover of the document in under, or near his right elbow, which I believe is the source document for the thing about which he is writing. #66: Okay. #10.5: Okay. Ile's got some sort of a circle with a line around, a line around the middle of the circle design on it is all. And it looked like it was, oh, it looked like it was very 7 . EM[PhP 6 Approved For Release 20qft -00788ROO0500240001 -1 ,_ M. -1-M-07-7-1 *77 T-V-L- I Approved For Release 2000/mfr7- A-_1QJzSJW788R000500240001-1 %--~ L. IQ tA L. 1 #10.5: crudely printed, like almost mimeographed on- instead of really offset printing. You know, it wasn't a formal docu- mento it was like a mimeographed document. #66: Okay ...... #10.5: It had the.quality of the little programs that they give out in elementary.school when you go to your kids schools PTA meeting, you know, it's all flaky and speckling and you can read the words but it's not really-cool. Gets the job done but that's about it. All right. Now we come tolanother confusing portion of the session. Very beginning 0 the session, somewhere in the beginning of the session I had this man standing in the room. He was standing, leaning with his bottom up a gainst like the corner of d k but not I Because I was looking at what laterturned out to be desk, from the corner, and this guy showed up rig n. my way. I couldn't see. I hEd to sorta like peek around him. And I thought that like it was somebody that came into this room that occupied to visit and.1 just-happened to catch him coming in to visit. Then al-, that was very fleet- ,ry di8~inct intrusion in the area, it was ing, and it was a ve very - bam! right in front of my face. And I had to like peek around him. Now ... then, later on I, I you let me drift a little the feeling.that w bottom against th d the headphone wire went do like thing that I was, tha And at that point, I think think when you let me drif my time window- SG1A hink it was when you moved me and it wider in a time bracket, I had s standing over leaning with his SG1A sk with his headphones on and that n into the bottom of the bookshelf was there in a corner by the door. that that was valid imagery. I in time, or when you let me expand #66: 1 opened your time window by plus or minus five minutes. #10.~5: Yeah, that that is an action that he performs in here, in this room during this time window. Maybe not the specific beginning one but later on, But I don't know where the heck the other guy came from. #66: The other person that was Oot #10.5: The other person that- whe the, sitting in a similar, with his earphones on, tha tape- that's when I said "!@it first isn't the same one." had like a widow's peak, severe hair, thin in facep uh, we.ring tweed suit. That was some,hat I saw~Wver there doing or leaning in a similar posture Is when I- you'll hear me on the a minute. The guy I saw there The other fellow was thinners widow's peak, had deeply dark like a light tan, gray tan sinister in feeling. I had the SG1A SG1A Approved For Release 20 6-00788ROO0500240001 -1 W-WNW&W-10. 961WW."L~W_ .2 Approved For Release 20 R000500240001-1 #10.5: feeling like he was, uh ' t1_1 investigator. You know, like i the guy that catches the SP type thing. The guy who walks in off the street and goes nto the spy's room and waits for the.spy to return and catch s the spy by surprise type of a situation. It's sort of Ge tapo like,.you know, lurking, ominous presence lurking ri ht there, very self-assured and- #66: Okay. #10.5: -invest-, queer-, investigatory, queery ing, or investigating. All right. So then, uh, in the,widened time windo was over there. I finally resolved the problem V was this other guy there that maybe had come and visited and left. I never saw the two of them together, by the way. You know, another thought was that well, maybe they were run- ning a personal meeting or something. 'And, uh, the only other thing I have to add is that during the other parts of the session when ~~was sitting at the table drafting or whatever he was doing, he- at that time I felt he also was wearing earphones, and t 'hey're the old-fash-, older-fashioned kind with black cups on the ears and they have the ... they have the metal rods that stick up out of the earphone part so you can adjust the length on the earphones. But I did not see an electrical cord on them. I didn't see that the cord ran back behind him back into this bookshelf like he was listening to the stereo or anything. It was like they were cordless. And for a fleeting.analytical moment somewhere in the session when I realized that I couldn't see a card. I had the rememberance, a very quick flashback to early child- hood in playing with crystal sets, these little...they used to be about $2.98, little, when I was a kid, little crystal sets. They were designed like a little rocket ship. All you had to do was plug lem on to a ground and you'd get four of your favorite AM stations. #66: Okay. #10.5: You didn't really need an exterior power source or anything like that. Sorta had this idea of self-containment, possibly of crystal ... crystal run rig. That's all I have. #66: Okay. Um, I'd like you to return now to your thoughts of drawing number one here. Uh, and now apart from this session you will recall that you have visited previously, and in previous sessions you mentioned a ca cu ator like device that is, uh, you identified as being part of behavior. And I want.to ask you now in addressing "islaRc- ivity in this room at his desk and doing his writing and so forth, does this feeling a bout a calculator play a part in what he does here in this room? #10.5: No. He's not doin' anything with that calculator type of thing. There's only one thing on his desk which vaguely res- N%mv" embles it, and that is a-little square box that, square box SG1A SG1A SG1A SG1A SG1 Approved For Release 200MUL-P. A-'Mmoor- 0788ROO0500240001-1 Z~%- I %L. I Approved For Release 2000/c WWI U0r%vvvv00240001 -1 77 #10.5: that's on his upper right next to his, on the sketch, next to his, uh, light, his desk lamp idea. But that box, I looked at that box.and the only thing I got out of that box was that it was like a paper slip holder, you know, like you do for your calls and notes and stuff like that. When 1 looked-, I didn't look at it asking if it was the calculator 'cause of course I didn't realize you were after that at the time. #66: Okay. #10.5: Had no idea that you would have been interested in that. The calculator was nowhere around, so what I- essentially I'm saying this so that people who look at that sketch don't read into that little box drawn up there as being a calculator. 'Cause when I,looked at that box it was plain and simple - a slip of paper holder, a box for messages and stuff, little plastic thing or somethin #66: Okay. #10.5: No, did not get any feeling of a technical type of apparatus at all. #66: All right. Good. Anything then that you have to add? #10.5: No. #66: Okay, fine. #10.5: That's it. 10 Approved For Release 2000==i' -00788 R000500240001-1 ~_ V_* If I % " I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 IwAB I I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/(,7 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 00 of 9c0# 40.1 W% &t, 4g ma't OS ,XTA+ -Fear go 0 "A 1 ; of4im/ #oil* Well PA C,11-11 ";L~y f t C. 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(S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the remote viewer was shown the attached picture and told that the individual was identified as The SG1A viewer was told that he would be focusing on events of past time during the session and that intense concentration on discipline would be required. 2. (S/NOFCRN Durin the session the viewer was told to focus on the time r s F NOD in, the, window of and report the SG1A activity he viewer was asked to elaborate on those per- SG1A T 0 f U Oe .1 cseese ceptions he repor e w c seemed relevant to the interviewer. he reDor 3. (S/NOFORN) This remote viewer has worked this target before and as such was familiar with the general situation prior to the session. The viewer did not, however, know what to expect in the specific time window provided. The interviewer had been briefed on what might be expected during the time win- dow and attempted to elicit information relevant to use of a com- SG1A puter or calculator. 4"WK NOT RELEA~AQLF_ _TP FOR~f_N_N TIONALS Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 SG1A Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0500240001 -1