Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 2 %mow ORCON/NOFORN GRILL FLAME PROJECT SESSION REPORT 00 CLASSIFIED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA DECLASSIFY ON: 7 Dec 1999 EXTENDED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6) GRILLFLAME Approved For Release 2000/cArm- Vuo-o 788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21 1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. 2. The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation; Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AIMISAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol-(S), undated. 4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided-the remote viewer. a Approved For Release 2000/0 01 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 e ~- limmm ^in 1ro .....T Approved For Release 20004aww~l,-oi=-O='ftOO800150001-8 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21 #66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for security). PAUSE Relax and concentrate now. For the past few mi es you've been studying a photograph. Focus your attention, now, on the area des.'Lonated as ar a E. Focus your attention on area L~.7Relax Iand c nce rate and describe the area to me. PAUSE +04 #07 I'm trying to see inside of rooms...dark (mumbling) shapes ... sticks tied on end and spread out the bottom end so they'll stand up #66 Ok. Tell me more about these stacks. #07 Like tripods... or 4 high. 3 feet #66 Are these stacks inside outside. or #07 Inside somewhere. Trying to see rooms. PAUSE #66 Area E now, relax and concentrate an area E. #07 Area E. #66 Alright. PAUSE #07 ftlds of ..... big belts or ribbons folded. I see +07 two big curved knives ...white wall ... decorative sonl5thing underneath the (mumbling)-it's just decoration, I'm sure. Approved For Release 20 .-I~M&P0788RO00800150001-8 ..g% r-- r% Approved For Release 200OVE64&- "L788ROO0800150001-8 ww~ #66 Ok. Tell me more about this room that you're in. #07 It's a..... ok .... 15 - 25 feet long, 16-17 feet wide. Off white or beige, fancy carpeting and all (mumbling) teepee shapes standing around. #66 Ok. #07 1 don't see anyone in this room. No people. There's other rooms... 1 ... just #66 Alright. Tell me about these other rooms. #07 (Mumbling)--front is door over there on the right....- (mumbling) I see the figure tuo-and hallway-I see a bed...empty coat hangers-I'm ... (mumbling) #66 Tell me more about this building. #07 I'm trying to go down this hall. #66 Fine. Relax and concentrate. Tell me as you go. #07 Look back ... two doors on my right... I don't know why +12 1 can't see people ..... I don't see people. #66 Alright. #07 Wait a minute. PAUSE #07 Here's something. Holy cow .... #66 Describe it to me. #07 Very bright light just ... uh ... swung across PAUSE #66 Go on. #07 1 want to (mumbling) #66 That's fine. Just explore the area for a moment, you can tell me later. Just explore the area for a moment and you can tell me later. Relax and concentrate. #07 There's something about that room...right at the end of the hall. I can't get in there. I (mumbling) 2 CT ApprIoved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO080015oool-8 Approved For Release 20tEgRZLO788ROO0800150001-8 +16 #07 1 don't... 1 don't feel so good... I'm going to throw up. #66 Ask yourself, "What gives you this feeling?" PAUSE #07 1 see a lot of empty bottles ... mechanical things in there. #66 Where are these mechanical things? #07 On the side towards... away from F. I guess it-would be towards E. #66 Ok. Now focusing on E, search E for people. Focus on E and search area E for people. #07 1 thought ... people ... probably in that room where I couldn't get into ... down the hall. PAUSE +21 #07 1 think there's three people in the big room...xvith the Vs. #66 Ok. Describe them to me. #07 Uh ... I have feeling they're not... ot ours (o ~ 0 ~ur S #66 Tell me what gives you this feeling. #07 They're too casual ... and t0ey're no guards an the doors ... this room ... and they're not tied up or anything. I just ... they don't seem to... they seem kind of ... kind of happy. But there's something in that room down the end of the hall. I never did this before but I tried to get a hold of a door knob. I don't normally fool with door knobs but I felt I couldn't get in if I didn't. The best I can say is I got a awareness of people in.-. the room at the end of the hall. I get a very bad feeling about that. I don't think I want to go in there. I'm going to try one more time, then I'm going to get the hell out of here. #66 Alright. Would you like some assistance getting in the room. 3 Approved For Release 2000/081zzCft*0M0M0700150001-8 Approved For Release 20001" -641188ROO~01 Kdq~'88ROO0800150001-8 #07 it's at the end of the hall. I think I'd like to see in there. #66 Alright. Would you like me to help you see in there. #07 1 can use all the help I can get. #66 Alright. Stand before the door... #07 Door knob's~on the left. #66 Alright. Now, as I count to three move slowly through the door - one-moving closer - two - the door is at your face - and three - you are through the door. Now describe the room to me. PAUSE +24 #07 It's a big room ... it's longer to right and left than it is straight ahead. There's a window straignt ahead of me. There's ... beds to the right of me...huh... bunk beds ... aqainst white wall.. #66 1 didn't understand you. #07 Bunk beds .... cots I guess you call them. (Mumbling) is very bad but ... there's three cots... Big bed over there, three cots here. It doesn't seem that bad. There's light coming through the window. Sure looks quiet. #66 Is this room occupied? #07 Yeah. I think ... I think people on the bed...something I can't see people, I see a lump like somebody's there. It's awful quiet. #66 Ok. #07 (Mumbling) ... there's something on the left. I can't make out .... oh! There's somebody sitting in ... uh.. (mumbling) ro~)m crossed legged just sitting there... sitting on the ... sitting on the floor. I don't understand why I couldn't get in there. #66 Describe the person on the floor. 4 . "WPOW00000 Approved For Release 20 ~15 8 1 1 8 00/61" -_!&A'1777M~88ROOO 00 5000 - Approved For Release 201441, 1 00150001-8 +31 #07 About 5'8", 27 or 28 year old. #66 Dressed. #07 Dark trousers, got a beard, dark colored shirt ... gray ... not very bright, just dull color... #60' And, what's he doing? #07 Just sitting there ... his hands laying across his legs. I think he ... yeah ... he's watching the beds... I get the feeling he's armed but I Can't see a weapon. It's ... uh ... laying on the floor ... unless ... uh... #66 Ok. PAUSE #07 There's two or three people (mumbling) outside the two windows. #66 Move outside the two windows and describe that area to me. #07 There's trees. Look like walkway ... some kind of ornamentals next to ... house ... near the ... three guys +33 standing near the big (mumbling) near the ....... there goes one of 'em...three guys standing corner of the building ... one of them just headed down towards building F. #66 Ok. Go with him to building F. PAUSE #66 Describe area F to me. #07 Ok. I just ... I keep seeing this figure four.... associated ... this building F ... trying to look at +35 building F ... just inside I see repetition... (mumbling) repetition-it's a long 1166 What's repetition? #07 To my right. I'm just getting a glimpse of it. #66 Relax and concentrate. 5 rQ I-- f -% 11 K L;-r Approved For Release 2000/08 bwWIP964WOMM00800150001-8 Approved For Release 20.,=.Xr.QA&V"- 788R000800150001-8 kJ L~Nj 14 % G.W." 0. - #07 Yes. There's a light on ... floor lamp...to my right... 1._,pqpm to be getting tan and brown colors in here. I think it's paneling on the right wall. #66 Ok. Tell me more about this room. #07 It appears more attractive to me than other room ... a little more elegant. #66 Ok. Try not to compare. Try to focus your attention solely on this area, area F.Area F. Move through area F and describe as you go. #07 I'm trying to get rid of~ .... I'm trying to get rid of the imagery from E. #66 Yes. I understand. Focus solely on F, now. I understand. Just relax and concentrate. PAUSE #07 1 don't understand this ..... but ... I'm going to dump it anyway .... Just right wall-going to hallway I saw olive drab packs. First I thought they were parachutes. They could be...imagery..(mumbling) ... bundles...uh... PAUSE #66 Search area F for people. PAUSE #07 This ones got a kitchen... get... #66 It's not necessary to analyze what you see. Simply report it. Feel free to say anything you see. #07 Obviously a woman standing by the sink in the kitchen. I don't get that. I thought they were (mumbling) a little bit ... Oh... I m very, onfused. It just occurred (IC to me she might be there o cook for people, what the hell she doing this time... just ... is a woman in the kitchen... I'm 6oing ... I don't know who she is... #66 Describe her. +41 #07 Brown sweater like ... dark ..look like corduroy---trousers... long dark hair, about 30, no make-up, long-sleeved... uh... 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA- 00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 200QjvmVA-Tw11,- nn7RRROO0800150001-8 #66 Ask her her name. #07 1 can't talk to her. She gets ... she gets nervous. She don't know I'm here. Come to think of it~ nobody's watching her. PAUSE GOD DAM! I...I...uh... I ask..I ask her her name. She ... turned-she turned... looked at me... I ... (mumbling) ... I could do that. She seemed very (mumbling) but she's... I don't think she (mumbling) She sure looked towards me.-and-now she's got her hands in the sink again. Gosh, that scared the hell out of me. I really didn't think... I really didn't think she could hear me. #66 There's a part of her that could tell you her name without her knowing it. (turned tape over) Here we are know. Now you may continue. PAUSE #07 You want me to try again. Don't you? #66 Focus your attention..... #07 ... on the woman ... #66 Yes. Once again #07 Ok.(mumbling)...is a ... standing in the doorway... she appears to be facing the wall on my left...cabineLs above her ... window straight ahead. I'm going to ask her one more time. #66 Tell her it's alright to tell you. Be friendly. #07 1 scared the hell out of her the last time. #66 Be friendly. 1107 I'm friendly. Ok 7 Approved For Release AOOIW071-1~614R)iM- 0788R000800150001-8 Approved For Re lease 20OUaw4uz..,W/4-1,W-=b--UUTOOMUUU-Oool5ooo1-8 PAUSE #07 (mumbling) ... she turned towards me ... she dried her hands ... started backing up ... slapped her hands over her ears and bent over ... closing her eyes and holding her head. PAUSE +52 #07 Dam ... she's got blue jeans on-does that mean she is one of us. I forgot to tell you she's about 51 7" ..51 B"...GOD DAM she's scared ... really scared ..... #66 Ok. Perhaps we should not bother her anymore. Let's move on through the area F now. Move an through the area F and describe it to me. #07 I'm backing up. PAUSE I keep seeing an awareness. #66 Tell me about your awareness. #07 I'm going out on ........ people to my right ....... +55 Don't ask me to explain. I don't knou why, but I get a very strong feeling someone very important there... two people very important-also in this building ,towards the end of the hall. I see a man-about 612" - late 40's/50's... There's somebody else over there. I can't see him ... I have a feeling .... got ... grayish hair temples...no more than that. I guess -1 feel he's important because of his age. My right leg hurts like hell, just above the knee. DAM it hur s #66 Alright. Focus an another individual. Focus on another individual. Relax and concentrate. Focus on another individual. That's fine. Relax and concentrate focusing on another individual. Relax and concentrate. Relax and concentrate. Big breaths. That's fine. Big breaths. PAUSE #07 1 got (mumbling) over here. Funny, I can see in all the other (mumbling) Absolutely blank, absolutely Approved For Release 200 88R000800150001-8 Approved For Release LXW1 ftudaafiL.M7 8ROO0800150001-8 black. I can't figure exactly where it is. It's small. Yeah, there's somebody in there. I think ... looks like it's very tiny ... very tiny ... space... (mumbling) ... all scrunched up in a corner ... forearms up over his ears ... hands behind his head ... his knees up to his chest. I don't know how in the hell can I see....it's dark in there and I can see ..... A V66 That's fine. PAUSE #07 1 don't know where this room is. I just try to go through the house and-figure out where it was. I had a feeling it was not too recently a part of the house. It's not +60 -q room...it's a space... I feel nausea again. PAUSE #66 This time I want you to listen to the sound of my voice. Listen very carefully to what I say. Listen only to the sound of my voice. Listen to my voice ... listen to my voice ... that's good... I want you to leave area F at this time... leave area F. That's fine. Leave area F now and come back with me ... come back with me now... come back with me now. Now move your arms and move your legs ... move yo--jr arms and move your legs, move your arms, move your arms and move your legs. Open your eyes. Open your eyes. Move your arms and move your legs. That is good. Open your eyes and sit up.z I'm going to,have you draw some of the things that you've perceived. Move your arms and move your legs. That's good. 0k. Now vie can draw. (Drawing) #66 #07 #66 You're starting here with page one with inside perception of ... area that I told you was area E. 0k. If you write that down at the bottom of the page it might come out because I think that building E there will be in the binder. OK. There was~another door in here somewhere. Maybe in the end, I'm not sure. I really don't know. OK. 9 Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001 -a Approved For Release 2000/0810t tIAR-,me, yy - --L-nnnQnni 1;0001 -8 #07 Oh! Shoot. #66 You had the teepee drawings ... you've drawn ... do you remember the belt things that you told me about? #0 7 Oh yeah. #66 Where were they? #07 There were some here and some here. #66 What were they~ now? I'didn't understand you too much. #07 Belt-they was folded like that..I think that's too big.. but ... and I thought here there was something.....no, wait a minute ...... #66 This is the decoration on the wall that you said you saw. #07 Yes. Hum... I'll be dammed-some of the belts were in boxes ..... these were quite dominent ... they were quite 4"oticeable ... were dark ... oh my gosh ... you know-those eould be ... uh ... those could be belted ammunition ... and I thought was ..... something drapped on the wall over here. Ok. I saw a room. #66 Ok. Then... this room, now, is in a different place? #07 No. Same. #66 It's in the same area ... but #07 It's through that door in there somewhere... and this was centered. #66 Oh. I see. So this is actually hallway door, here, that I see in drawing one. #07 1 think so. That's the way I see it. #66 Ok. #07 1 saw a bunch of hangers with only clothes hanging on the step at the back. I saw no one in that bed. I don't know why. I don't know why I drew that so small. 10 t71 Approved Fo r.Re lease - 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 20 ATL&7.n I 00788ROO0800150001-8 PAUSE #66 Ok. We're moving to page three. Where are we going now? #07 I'm trying to remember the inside of that room I had trouble with. #66 Ok. This would be the room at the end of the hall that You had trouble with. #07 Yes. Something wrong with my scale PAUSE #66 That is where the entrance was... #07 Yes. #66 And that is the door you had trouble going through. #07 Yes. I just-there's no other way to draw the dam thing. #66 Where was the individual sitting that you said you saw? You said you had one in a bed, you perceived one in #07 a bed and one sitting. #07 There was someone with their back-what appeared to be a back to me here and I was vaguely aware that someone was probably in at least a couple of these. In one and two I thought... there was... I could... I was vaguely aware of someone or something in there. This person had their back to me ... uh ... but I seem to remember there was somebody over here. #66 Ok. You talked about someone sitting in the room too. #07 AM Over here there was someone near the wall. It's ok to see through walls but it's hectic to draw seeing through. Let me see here. Someone sitting on the floor, and I think it was a veapon laying to the left. question on this. There was a word that #6' Ok. I have a I didn't understand. I thought you said bunk bed. Did you say bunk bed? #07 Bunk beds. -There were three of them. Thes,e are cots, bunk beds ....... Approved For Release 2000/bBf6f-(W- A DO 4" 6 7-8-87WO 8 0 0 15 0 0 0 1 - 8 Approved For Release 2000/OW&~-1,C~tA~-Rt)pg"0788ROO0800150001-8 #66 Are they two-high or one-high? #07 Oh, yeah. Right along in here there was a...yeah... it struck me rather funny. when I...when I went by it, but ... yeah. In here somewhere was a three... tuo...a double decker... seemed like it was along in here ... it might have been between ... right along in here, but ... uh...1 remember moving over to about here and I saw these. Yeah. I think maybe (mumbling) to the right of the door. #66 Ok. Before We leave this room then, can we get a count of the personnel in the room? #07 1 think I saw what I thought was four. I didn't know whether the other bt-ds were occupied or not. This person was awake. #20.5 (Mumbling)-go back a little bit. V66 Ok. Back to page one. #20.5 You saw three people here? #07 Yeah. There was someone over in this area over here. #20.5 And you thought that those people were not hostages. #07 Yeah. I thought they was kind of happy on an ego trip or something. #20.5 1 understand. #07 They seemed hyper... #20.5 Too casual ... and all that jazz..Now #07 But there was someone over here. Just sitting casually over there with elbows on her knee. #66 Now those same kind of feelings that you talked about here in building E, drawing one... the feelings about the people, that they weren't hostages because of their casuality etc. Identify with those same feelinga:- now, about this room you've drawn on drawing three. How about the feelings about that. #07 1 felt that these people were being watched...crazy door...1 thought these people were being watched. I assumed by this person, here. I also thought there were three people outside the window. Approved For Relea.s.e.20-00/0,8/07: ClA-,RDP96-00M8ROOQ8Q -8 .150001 Approved For Release 2000/0870'r -~,QA--R~Pgfi 150001-8 #20.5 They just happen to be passing by and you saw them. #07 1 had the feeling probably roving patrol-like a guard or something-seemed very casual ... kind of bored with what they were doing. #20.5 Where is this room? #07 This room ... this room ... let me see ... wait a minute. this room is down here #66 Ok. Then your indicating that the room in drawing three is at the end of the hall in drawing two. #07 1 couldn't figure why the hall seemed to be running kind of in line with the buildings... I thought... I would have thought they went around perpendicular but the way I saw it it looked like they run in line ~with the building. There was a...I thought... I don't. think it showed on the photograph ... but I thought that building there was a walkway along by those windows and vegetation close by, and trees to the right. I also thought the walkway cut (mumbling) ... what I saw when I saw the people stop at the corner of the building. #66 Ok. At this point you're in room three and I had you move out through the window. #07 1 thought there was vegetation close to the building... a logical thing thought there was a walkway running right by that window and I thought the people were moving by on it. There was one person outside the window for quite a while then these other two came by. Then they all three went down to the corner. #66 Ok. Why don't you draw a sketch now. You're approaching area F. #07 Approaching area F. #66 Or your first impression of where area F was. #07 Ok. I thought the room was pretty close the size of that one represented in number one, but it seemed different. I thought I could see paneling of the not like cheap American paneling, but squares done with nice molding. Let me see ............................................. 13 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08107 CIA--RDPW6 ~7188ROO0800150001-8 #07 (Mumbling) I can't draw...1 don't know where it fits. I don't know how big it is or what but I saw a vertical linear repetition. I had the feeling it was a show... I don't think it was people but I had the feeling it was for affect... I don't know what it was. I had the feeling that whatever it was it was probably 5 or 6 inches across and it was standing vertically linear along this wall ....... dance table ..... something here..... there was something over here ..... but I don't know what it was..ok ... there's something rectangular on the wall #66 Ok. Moving into page five ... kitchen scene... #07 Brown sweater....later felt that she was also wearing blue jeans...I thought there was a table or something there... and there was cabinets there. The second time she turned towards me ... uh ... she backed up towards here ... there was a chair over here somewhere ....... she backed up this way... I was standing over here somewhere. Anymore questions about that? #20.5 Is there a window in that? #07 Yeah. I think right here. Something's not right in that corner there ...... remember a chair. #20.5 How did you feel about her? What's here role? #07 1 was very confused about her because she didn't appear as though she ... well ... she wasn't tied up, she wasn't blindfold0d' or anything. She was standing there alone, appeared no one was watching her ...... this confused me because I thought all the women had been pulled out of there. Later, it occurred to me maybe she was someone hired to cook for the people in this building. There could be another woman there and she couldn't be doing some cooking. I don't ... I just don't know. I really don't. Whoever she is, I felt she was friendly. She was in between 25and3O .... 51711, 51811 ...... but I thought she was friendly. #66 During the experience that you had with her is there any response that she gave you at all? #07 (Laughing) ... I'm not sure I'm ready to discuss that As you told me, I tried to ... uh... I spoke to her...2sked her what her name was. I did it with the feeling I had 14 2's . I nmm~ Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Releas 6-00788ROO0800150001-8 when someone told me to try with a combination that they had come up with. I did it because someone asked me to not thinking that anything would happen. Just to get it out of the way. I was very startled when she stopped what she was doing and turned towards me rather surprised. I'm not sure how I felt about it ... I felt very startled or very nervous or ill at ease. For some reason I don't remember right nou, I tried again and she stopped what she was doing, dried her hands and started backing up, put her hands over her ears and bent over ... you know ... at the waist ... with her hands over head. I didn't feel good about that. Apparently, she didn't feel good about whatever it was she was feeling. had the feeling she did not see me. But something sure bothered her, and I felt I was the one that did it. I don't understand it and I was quite startled. I did it expecting nothing and I got a response, and I'm not sure what to make of it. #66 Any information on her part. Did she provide any information at all? #07 No. I was after her name. I didn't get that and I was conscious of the possibility-if I could get her to talk to me that I could get more than her name. Whether she was friend or foe, I might be able to get more information; and I thought, gee, that'll really be great, and I really tried. Her response was one of confusion and fear. As though she was aware something was happening. She didn't know what it was, and she didn't know whether it was her imagination, or what, but she didn't feel... she was startled. She was ill at ease ... she was scared, I think. #20.5 She didn't speak at all, or utter anything. #07 Didn't utter anything. I thought that maybe she ... just through thought both of us thinking that I could get something. I did not get hostility. There was no words at all, but I got no feeling of hostility. #66 The reactions that you got from her...vere they emotional in nature. #07 She could be a hostile individual but I got no hostility from her. If you understand what I mean. #07 What did you say? #66 The reactions, then, that she gave you, the reactions that she had were emotional as opposed to communicative. #07 Yes. She was definitely aware that someone friendly was standing at the door. --was the feeling that I had. Approved For Release 2000/OWt,.V %WV1%=-UUffUKUUUk5UO150001-8 Approved For Release 200 88R000800150001-8 She wanted to understand and then she just ;ost control and became emotional and afraid .... the way I saw her. I went down another hall and I didn't go in ... but I had awareness of people in rooms to my right ... uh... I don't remember pursuing it in finding Out vho they were. It was very quiet. Not very interesting... I don't know but I felt eight or nine people to my right. Went on to the end of the hall and it's kind of fuzzy here, but I had the awareness of two people ... one of which I saw.. late forty's early fifties... I felt the person was important...uh ... and I was confused, but I.asked myself... what I think ... the person's important-the only thing I could come up with was just their appearance. I thought graying hair at the temples first, then I thought, no, I could see it across here looked like it was whitish or grayish. It was more than just gray around the temples. There was another person of less importance, but I felt highly important, off to the right somewhere... did not see them. I don't know how to draw that. My drawing would not depict what I saw. It was a person 612"~ I guess, 6 ft 6'2"maybe. I thought the other person was somewhat slimmer ... the person I did not see. #66 On which person were You focusing when you began to have the leg pain ? #07 The white haired person. Numbness down the left hip ... down the left leg ... but the right leg was hurting above the knee ... down in this area here ... it was really quite severe. The other was a numbness. I felt a tingling like ... uh ... when your foot goes asleep...felt like the whole leg ... the hip ... and this could have been my lying for so long-maybe it was real-maybe I felt iL...I don't know. I felt a numbness as well as the pain over here. This was quite severe. #66 Ok. Right leg pain approximately 4 inches above the knee. #07 ,,TPrbn I became aware of a black rectangle ... ver 1* al rectangle about the size of a door. it was y bl ack, and I thought it was a black room tha~~Aouldn't see d into. I was startled be V rmally, I could see in to in r RR61.. o see in this one at first, then r ~ I had the feeling that the room was not a room but not 16 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 66%ndRooo800150001-8 FM: Approved For Release 20 6~0788RO00800150001-8 a T= MTMM much bigger Pi6n a phone bo th I saw someone... 0 140 to 160,4..uh... right dow he lower-one of the corners at was there...h sup on the back of their aL head a their arms ove heir ears and knees drawn up. r Reall cowering is w I want to say. Cowering in the y corne I looke r a door or something that viould tell me on was restrained in there... locked in m there and I could see no restraints. The person was a tall black void ... now that I look back, it could be the feeling this person had of the blackness ... the bleakness because I could not see... I could not see walls-I could see the person ... I could not see walls. It was a very sad, emotional thing, and I didn't like it. I started feeling very confused ... as though I were identifying with the person... and-uh ... I don't think I could remember very much after that. Is that about where we quit? #66 Yes. There are two areas that I'd like to review here. First back in the other area, in area E, there was a point in time, I believe it was area E, when you had a feeling of nauseas. Was this back in area E? #07 That was when I was trying to get in the.....1 was going down the hall tryinq to look in the rooms*on"my right and worrying about the room at the end of the hall. #66 Then there was one point where you mentioned something about bottles, empty bottles ... #07 Oh, yeah. There was,one room to the right that had a bunch of empty green bottles. They were sitting-the caps were off... I'm quite sure they were empty ... I could see the top half. Whole batch of them there. I kept trying to get rid of it and they kept coming back and I thought-hey... dump it ... let somebody else worry about it, I don't know what the significance was, but I think it was the second door, I believe, the second door down the hall. #66 Ok. Now, is this feeling of nausea at the time when you saw the bottles, in and around that time ... is that the same feeling that you had... #07 It had nothing to do with the bottles ... it had nothing to do with the bottles. I don't know what caused the feeling. I thought, gee, what's wrong with me, I don't 17 19QLJ= ell% Q Approved For Release 2000/01AF~-~9"0788 00800150001-8 10% r6*0 (N Approved For Release A-VUUM MMW Mambo W- -a 000800150001-8 see anything that would make me nauseas. I felt anxiety. #66 Now, I want to ask you if this feeling that you had in and about, is this same feeling that you had in the other area when you saw the person cowering and then became feeling ill at ease. Is that the same feeling? #07 Yes. The nauseas was the same except the latter one with the person cowering, I felt ... uh ... confused and helpless and ... like I just felt there was no hope ... very afraid...with the nauseas ... yes-physically it felt the same. One point ... the first-time I felt I was going to throw up. I think I may have said that. It went away. I can't remember why. It just disappeared. Almost as sudden as it came on. #66 Do you have any questions #20.5. #20.5 I'm just confused on some of these details near the end. In this one you describe something that look like parachute packs. #66 Drawing number four. #07 Yes. #20.5 This is the first one that's in building F, right. You said something about packs. #07 Yes. Packs...1 think... #66 Back packs as opposed to duffle bags. #07 Well I toyed with them. I ... they were olive drab ... they were fabric... and I saw part of a parachute .... and I looked for straps on this and say hey that's a parachute ... I didn't know... I honestly went through the bed of things-is this back packs ... is this shutes... and I couldn't find nothing to tell me-they were about 24 or 28 inches long. maybe 15 inches wide ... I had the feeling they did go on a person's back... but I honestly could not figure out ... I tried I thought about packs, I thought about parachutes. 18 ~~MQ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-R 8ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/Qalo:~,KbF;:~q7"~000800150001-8 #07 At one point, and it could have been an overlay, .......... I saw a parachute opened. I remember trying to shake it off because I said what the heck has that got to do with this ... and it was then that I noticed the packs. There was also some in a room over here to the right ... back here. #20.5 Ok. So these that you've drawn don't represent the total number. #07 No. It's about the size ration ... there were more ... felt there were some stacks here ..... that could have been my repetition that I saw along here. I don't know. Because when I saw these, it was much later, and I didn't remember the repetition when I was looking at these. It could be that the resolution was getting ..... #66 Were they hard, were they soft ... if you punched them were they soft? #07 1 didn't try them, but I had the feeling they were .... definitely felt like a parachute packed parachute. #20.5 That's good. Your drawing id building E and building F two different floral patterns on the rug-and I just wondering if you just drew haphazardly or pattern that you saw, because they are distinct patterns, ok. #07 When I drew them I didn't notice that they were. I just tried to make something that felt like what I saw and th2t'S what came out. I drew it very fast. I fdlt this was more round and this was more geometric. That's all I can say about Thai. #20.5 OK. There W2S a difference in what's there... that's what's important. #07 1 was not aware of it when I was drawing them. I didn't feel carpets were important. I don't know why I did it. #20.5 You mention these six to eight people again. I don't remember you saying that on the original go through. #66 You were walking down the hallway and the feeling of these people on the right. #07 Yeah. They were on the right. They were to the left of this kitchen. H, Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 20 =rl nn-70 R000800150001-8 P #20.5 But you had that feeling. You never went in and saw them or anything like that. #07 No. It seemed-they seemed very quiet ... very peaceful ... they were there ... I felt no thoughts... I don't know if you can feel thoughts ... but I felt no communication... or anything... I felt they were asleep. It seemed very uninteresting. Nothing was going on, this is an awareness; I did not see. #20.5 Then you saw these two people and one was more important than the other but they were both important. Where were they in relationship to ...... #07 They were ...... 1166 Give us an overhead so that we can see where they might be. 1107 Ok. I hadn't looked .... let me look at it ..... I'm not sure I could get all ... roughly... it's got to be bigger than that ....... all this scale is wrong ...... I thought there was another room here, but there's another room in here somewhere too.-.,I don't know something's wrong here. There may be another room there. #20.5 *ou say two important people are in the room at the end of the hall. #07 Yes. #20.5 Where did you sense these other people? Six to eight people. And where was the one (mumbling) had his hands over his head and all thatZ #07 1 thought in here somewhere. But then I thought I don't really know that that's actually in the building. But. I had the feeling that it was in this area right here by the squiggly circle. There were times I thought it was the left'end of the big front room... at one point I actually thought it was a box. #66 Label this please drawing number six and label it as being area of building F. 20 Approved For Release 2000/08/bi~: 6A)R6091TIM000800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/ 600hr-OU88RO00800150001-8 1-W-_ ;,I _71_177_7~1 e tw o"e #20.5 Uh... the tw eople aga-3,K... getting back... 'g' to them a 'n ... did u say anything more about them... ~in~d a ~d s what thei as in this (mumbling) #66 The important people. #20.5 Yeah. The important people. #07 1 tried to identify exactly who they were ... uh ... I run...uh...several people I'd heard about on TV... through my mind ... uh ... no identification ... uh... I did not know who they were ... I felt they were very important ... uh... I felt that they were given--a great deal more attention than ... uh...some of the other people. #20.5 Are you saying you thought they were important hostages? #07 M, yes. I think these six to eight people are hostages. I think these two people over here are hostages. #20.5 Ok. I think that's the first time you've said that. #07 1... I ... and I though ... I felt the pain when-I was talking about this guy sitting here with the gray hair. #20.5 Ok. The two important people that VDU think might have been hostages. One guy you didn't ;ee at all, rreally. #07 No. I thought he was off to my right... #20.5 The other guy you gave a little description... #07 Yeah. He is in here somewhere. #20.5 And, now, you're saying that you're seeing some pictures in the newspaper ..... #07 No. I haven't seen any pictures. I recently heard that ... what was it... I saw something the other night which said someone had been made to admit that they were CIA or something ... and I thought could this possibly try to be them... and I tried to find out...uh... I didn't come up with that. 21 L Approved For Release 200="/ 3RWF&0b--UUTUUR000800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : 1-8 #20.5 Let me ask you this. If I showed you some pictures ... a lot of pictures with no names...do you think you can pick him out? #07 -1 think the white haired man... I think I can pick out ... yeah .... but, before you show me pictures, if there's a chance you're going to send me after pictures of someone in the future, through photos of those people .... uh ... it could muddy the waters. But, if you want me to do that... I will try. Yeah. I will try it. #66 Is there anything you want to add to this session before we stop? #07 1 think viewing wise, it was a very good session. I'm not sure what can be made with the little bit of data I came up with ... uh-the layout of that room isn't exactly accurate, but it's fiar*ly close. I just didn't look at the rooms as they-you know-ration sizes-what have you. I think they're kind of layed out the way I've got them, there. #20.5 Let me ask you a question, ok. If I was going to ask myself ... putting myself in your shoes-that I now have been in two different buildings-and I wanted to make sure that #66 or somebody understood that I'd been.. what one thing, in each of those things, that would be unique, that would tell me that you were in that E or.. #07 Panels..panels in b~u~ ~F..at least on the right. / /-I tiin or brown-square patterns..I thought it was anel-ing. Building E. J think-most of the big room was mostly beige, off-white-uh-some trip..oh yeah. . IU and curved knives on the wall. That's the way I'd a / identify it. i #20.5 Something that wouldn't be found any place else. #07 1 don't know. That's the thing that I saw. To me would be un-'Ique. If someone blindfolded me, walked me into a room, those are the things I'd look for to know where I am. #20.5 Ok. That's good. #66 Anything else? #07 No. e-% r-2 Approved For Re lease 2000/08/07 :""NAJ'O07GRJO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 ~- TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800l..50001-8 F7/ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 A,ppr or Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 VorRele, -'74T. Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 --w ~pprovecl For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96- W7~8ROO0800150001-8 QN, TA V\ Q6 4 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 It f Apo.~,Ovecl For Release 2000/6"8107 CIA-RDP96-007&~RO00800150001-8 Qz~ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150,001-8 )0/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08107-.-C[A-RDP96-00788ROO680-6fg"6001-8 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 - TAB I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0800150001-8 Approved For Release 2000/0 1 0*8ROO0800150001-8 4W TARGET CUING INFORMATION REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21 1. (S) The remote viewer had been exposed to open source news media information and extensive overhead imagery prior to the session. He knew he would be working against the hostage situation in Iran. (S) At the time of the session the remote viewer was shown overhead imagery of the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. The actual overhead imagery is not included herein due to its classification. awwic~-111 M Approved For Release 2000/6W-L,~~~~800150001-8