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 SESSION REPORT
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION -CC drq
1. (S) This report documents a Remote viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS,
Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation.
Interpretation and use of the information provided is the
responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol'(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided the
remote viewer.
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  REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC59
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      #66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
  security).
  PAUSE
  For the past few minutes you've looked at a
  photograph of an area. Relax and concentrate now.
  Relax and focus your attention on the area
  designated to you as Area 1. Focus your attention
  on Area 1. Move to Area 1. Relax and concentrate,
  and describe the area to me.
  PAUSE
  I'm over it.
  #66 OK
  PAUSE
  Move down on the ground now. Face the building and
  describe the scene to me.
  PAUSE
  +03 #8 Two story building.
  #66 OK.
  PAUSE
  #8 Kind of...ah..(mumble) ...
                     ~a
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                         #8 Yellouish-vhite. The 's a little JnA'~-a little...
  0's 8
                    ah... dark attachment o the right ng. h ... it
                                    ge the
  looks like a ... a gar ge or a tool shed or something
  or
  of that nature. I g t the impre ion it's a very ...
  t the
  ah ... busy building .
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  #66 All right. Try to speak p just-14-i ittle bit.
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  #66 OK. Tell me about what is it that givos you this
 impression?
 /118 People ... a lot of.people.
      It 6 OK. Tell me the activity of these people.
 1
 1,ts Like they don't really belong (mumble).
 #66 What is your position of observation now?
      #6 Kind of ... ah ... getting the whole feel ... feel of the
 building.
      #66 OK. Just relax and concentrate for a minute on your
 perspective. Don't report anything to me for just a
 minute, just relax and concentrate on the target for
 a minute.
 #8 (Mumble).
 #66 1 didn't understand you.
 #8 Inside or out?
      #66 Inside. Focus inside. Just relax, concentrate,
 focus inside. Don't report anything for a minute,
 just relax and concentrate.
 PAUSE
 Alright, now report your perception.
      #8 OK. Kind of a tall, wooden walls. Shinny, round,
 wooden walls.
 PAUSE
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 #66
 #8
 #66
 Search the interior area for people.
 PAUSE
 (Mumble). Mumble ... people on the corridor ...
 mumble.
 Who are these people?
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                  I/B hey're Arabic. They ... ah-like they're conducting...
  he~
  ah ... official business from one office to another.
  h
          I... at) ... get the impression there's ... ah... there's
  +13 somebody different upstairs.
  #66 Move uOstairs.
      1/8 There'L somebody there. Next to the last room on the
  left; VVhink that's the guy I was looking for before.
  #66 Describe the-poe<to me.
  PAUSE
  118 think it should have been a small office room...
  that's converted. (Mumble) It's got ah...very high
  walls. The bottom half, that's the lower half
  hjj
  f
  (mumble) if it's in wood and the upper two thirds o
  the wall is like ah ... yellov-white paint; there's
  something recessed in the walls, there's no picture
  but the wall kinds of... kind of recessed and its ...
  ah...
  #66 OK. Is this room occupied?
  #6 Yea, yea ... yea. I thin he guy ... ah.:..I was
  supposed to f ind the otome.
  #66 OK. Move to the next room down the hall.
  #8 OK. There's only one room next to him on the left
  I see it as empty. (A C~~
  #66 OK. And going the other way down the hal.l? 1,~aq
  #8 It's occupied but there's nobody there right now.
  +17 #66 Go on down the hall.
       #8 Yea. Yea, there's-ah... there's that tal 19 thah
  lb Id an again there. There's four or five 9
  guy,
  I b:ingmkept there. Again, they're in separate
  rooms. Getting the impression they're issolated
  from one another; skip one room and occupy the
  other and so on. Fact there's more than five.,
  there's ... there's eight or something. I can't
  count individually but there's about eight.
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r#66 OK. Is thaL ... are these eight people confined o
f th~ buil din g?
this one hallway area of the building?
In the rooms... in the rooms.
#66 AlrighL. the hallway through to
+20 different areas of the building looking for more
people.
PAUSE
#8
#66
#8
#66
#8
#66
Mumble-people in the wings.
they're in two's and three's.
1 didn't understand you.
They're in two's and three's.
They're in th
Where are these wings in the greater building idea?
Mumble ... it's the right wing.
What floor?
#8 Second.
#66 How many people are there?
       #8 /A bunch. The ones in the front room are issolated,
alright. The ones in the wings are in clusters of
twols and three's.
#66 OK.
       #8 Mumble-I ... mumble ... gets the impression of...
mumble ... number.
       #66 Examine now, in your mind's eye, examine the people
in both areas. What is the difference between these
peopl.e?
       #8 //he rooms in front more important that the ones i/
the sides.
#66 1 didn't understand what you said.
     #8 They're more important... they've been selected...
Lh,
they're more important that the ones on the side.
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#66 Alright.
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#8          (Mumble) Those are the-ah-seven    eight
                     or                        in
                                               

            front.                             
                                               

#66         Seven    eight in the front.       
            or                                 
                                               

#8          Yes.                               
                                               

#66         Alright.                           
                                               

#8          (Mumble) A diplomat, sort of speak.
                                               

#66         And how  many in the right hand    
                     wing?                     
                                               

#8          This is  where they seem ... this  they're
                     is where                  
                                               

            in two's and three's. (Mumble)     
                                               

#66         1 didn't understand you.           
                                               

#8.         I'm tryi ng to make it out.        
                                               

+25 #66     OK. Vlor k on it for a minute, I   
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                     you.. mumble .. a ze      
                                               

6           About    dozen in each wing.       
6           a        dozen in ea ch win g.     ~,
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#66 OK. Now, for the next few minutes... for the
next few minutes I don't want you to report to
me because I want your total concentration on
the target. For the next few minutes, don't
report to me, your job is to look closely at as
many individuals as you can; look so closely at
these individuals so that you can recognize their
picture later. Do this now.
PAUSE
+30 Alright, how are you doing?
PAUSE
+35 Tell me what you've been doing.
#8 I've been looking around.
#66 And what have you found?
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                                           #8 The only people are in the middle wing and the
  'n
  right wing. (Mumble) ... with a couple of women,
  it's on the left ... mumble ... there's still some
  people in the front corridor or issolated.
  Mumble ... singles. There's one ... one room
  remaining empty in the area between them.
  #66 OK. At this time remember those people you have
  seen, remember them very clearly so that YOU can
  identify them in pictures later. At this time I
  have no further questions about this target. I
  would like you-provide you the opportunity now
  to add anything youlld like to say about this
  target before we draw the perceptions that you've
  had.
  PAUSE
  Is there anything you'ld like to add, do so now.
  PAUSE
  #8 No.
  #66 OK, fine. Move you arms and move your legs,
  stretch, sit up and let's draw impressions-that
  you've had.
                   (
  118 . From the front, it looks like long two stor
  uilding, several windows ... ah ... and both the
  U
  first floor and top floor ... ah ... normal windows,~e
  fl
  cause I've seen others, the long, narrow types,
  c-
  this wasn't it at all. OK, went I went inside,
  th
  on the first floor I got the impression of tall,
  wooden__~galls,_ like ... almost like dark colored,
  7hT'nny walls ... ah ... likeb 7-o-wn ~ahogony, very,
  very shinny, UK, and there was activiry iff--there,
  I saw something, got the impression of seeing si
  or eight people from one office to the next con- X/
  ducting their official business there.
  #66 And who were these people?
                                         b A a e e a osed
  e 0 ic
  #8 appeared to me to be Arabic people as opposed
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  hat I found or what I thought I saw on the second
  at fo thou ght I saw on lie se d
                           nd
                          Pp ~ih con
  (h :I e r~
  or wh- Ld~efttinl dbiffepren
  oor which were definitely different.
  c
                    0: itely t.
  #66 OK.
                                    #8 OK. An also saw n this second chart this
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 it was painted different, it was darr inside
 t' it w
 a dear
 was like a work shop or a garage; re was tools
 a qaraqe re w
 and.,,,. ah ... ah ... not finish~~Ade so, OK, and
 itlsl,,Iied on to t ;t5i-s...what I think is the
 righL wing o~he ~buiil~ding. From the top view I
 saw again three wings. OK. And these were ...
 I'll put O's for what I though were the empty
 rooms and ... mumble... those the ones that were...
 ah-when there was a body in the room.
       #66 OK. So..so in ah-we're gonna work off of two
 here or three?
 #8 Ah... let's work of
 #66 OK.,,"-In Drauing 3 then, uhm ... this will
 #8 YesN~econd f lp.UX.
 #66 OK,
 #8 Let me put this down here.
 #66 And you're gonna those rooms upstairs and try t
 put the relative position in the building in
 there.
 #8 Yes. OK. I'll draw a circle for empty room from
 the impression that I got for an empty room and
 I'll put an X on occupied room. 0k, so I started
 here, then I had... a occupied room.
 #66 You know, these X'S, are they inside or outside
 the building?
 #8 Inside-inside.
 #66 No$ I'd say this
 this out here.
 #8 Yes. Let me put
 ahm ... make my roDms
 I can draw some other lines here.
 is the building here, and what's
 X's-the D's and X's inside then
 this way.
       #66 1 see, OK. Nov, I understand what you're saying.
 I couldn't see from your drawing which was the
 inside and outside. Now you're putting room
 divider things...
 #8 inside.
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#66 OK, f ine.
#8 OK.
#66 And you felt this was upstairs?
       #8 Yea, the only reason I wanted to do it the other
way was because there was a wall here, you see,
and there's another wall here and I don't quite
understand because this seemed like looking
outside and I ... I can't figure it out.
#66 OK.
       #8 OK. But that first room was empty; that second
room was occupied by, I believe, that guy I was
supposed to see the other night in the session
here. This was ... a third room, I get
the impreqpi-on"iCuas suppo~_dd-t~obe occupied;
it is occupied but there wasn't a~_y~- there, OK,
and,then it went on and I got that there was
so,meone here; that's the half bald headed man and
,/here I couldn't make it out but it ... it kind of,
skipped one room and then you ha-d,_a Pfe-rt-6,6
room, h d -thIat you had a total of
per-son-Sa
ab-o-OT-6-17ghT persons in this front session...
section here, OK. Then, in these rooms, something
like this, what you had there were all occupancies
but in some case you had two and three people in
here, OK. In-1his-wirig,_,gound here someplace,
       was lookir~6 for something ... mumble-.-.. I- -could u
y finger on and I thought I saw two - ladies--in
here someplace. Ah ... this is loaded with people,
h
      either in two and three's; same thing here.
,(e
(Mumble) ... I had a bunch of people by the_time I
finished.
f
#66 OK. Now I want you to write in here for the
person looking at this drawing then ... like draw
an arrow here and say possibly two or three people
to the room here and then possibly the women over
here, that way they can look at the drawing and
see.
#8 This is approximate, I don't know which room they
were in but they were definitely ... Mumble ... the
first rooms, they were probably in the second or
third room from the rear of the building.
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#8 And I don't know if I can remember all those faces
when you show me the pictures.
#66 OK.
#8 Yea. OK, so in the middle section on the secon d
story of that building I got the impression that
the younger people to include the Marines were
quartered in that area, OK, and I'll reiterate,
thought I saw the important people-what I ...
f what... they seemed important were in the front
i portion of the annex-the right annex were the..
possibly the two ladies were in the right annex
and then there were some other personnel, in mos
cases two to a room, sometimes three, and same
                          ing here ... same thing here. Doubled up personnel,
two to a room or maybe three
#66 Alright. Now, what's your impression of the
total number you thi are...
#8 It exceeds the 40's .
#66 1 didn't understand.
#8 It exceeds the 40's.t./
#66 OK.
#8 1 thought the whole crew was there.~
#66 Think thefe's a lot of people there?
       #8 Yes. I ended up with that impression, I started
with very few and then I started looking to the
rooms and you told me to start looking into the
rooms and the more I looked the more people I
found and I kept finding more ... more and more
people.
#66 OK. Good.
       #8 But this room No. 2 1 think is the guy that you
wanted me to find the other day that was... that
was a very vivid impression. And another very,
very vivid impression was next to this room
there was... should have been occupied but there
was nobody there, next to that room, in room No. 4
here on this sketch is that half bald headed man
which I keep seeing on and off for some reason.
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#66 OK.
#8 OK. And I was looking for the bearded guy but I'm
not too sure. I'm not sure.
#66 OK. Is there anything you want to add then?
#8 No.
#6.5 OK #8, during the session then you felt that there
were several people that you might be able to
identify. What I'ld like to do now is have you
look at some photographs that I have and see if
you can come LIP with any that looks like that ones
that you have. We'll put this on a pause mode
while we look over the photos and then we'll come
back on for the record afterwards. OK?
#8 OK.
#6.5 OK, we're back on live here sort of speak. OK, in
reference to your Drawing No. 3, where you have
indicated that some possible hostages were in
different rooms, in room #2, you have identified
and feel pretty good about this photo that I'm
holding and on the back of it and you haven't seen
these names.
#B I've see Kalp's name before.
~KalWs r
#6.5 Yea, but not on this-today, OK. You've seen
his name before, his name is Malcolm Kalp and is
that who you feel is in that room?
#8 Yea. I got more ... a better, more vivid impression of
him because I was looking for him before
#6.5 OK, anything special you wanna say about him?
#8 Yea, I had about five minutes at the end of the
session to look around and look into the rooms
and ... ah...,I was trying to make him feel at ease
or trying to communicate with him and-ah... this
seemed as if it lasted a split second but I'm
sure it was more... longer than that on tape, and...
ah...ah... I got the first expression was
Barbarosa; either I gave it r he gave it
to me and then it ended U Barbara d... and...
i~baragre
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ah ... it seemed this somet we agreed on; I was
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 trying to get the impression across to him that he
 wasn't going off his noodle or anything, that this
 was a way of getting to him and he seemed very
 level headed mentally, so I gave it a try.
 that same diagram, and there was another individua
 in there, and you were less certain about this
 I understand, that you identified someone that
 looks like William E. Belk.
 #6.5 OK. Good. OK, in the room that's marked Room 4 on
 #8 Yea.
 #6.5 Any other comments.
       #8 Again, I identified him only because of the...
 mainly because he was tall, the hair line, it's n
 the first time I got the impression of a ... what
 been defining as a half bald headed man, his ha ir
 line is receeding from his head so there's a ...
 less certainty than VQ~Lp but that's an impression
 there.
 #6.5 OK. And then on your diagram on the room with an
 X mark, possible two women. You've looked at all
 the photographs that we had and you've idcntified
 one as possibly, and I use the word possibly so
 correct me if I'm wrong, being Ann Swift, also known
 as Elizabeth Swift, I guess. OK. And these are her
 photos, anything you want to say about those.
       #8 Yea. The reason I identified those is because of
 the hairdos; the impressions I got when I looked
 into that room that there was a younger ... ah ...
 women ... ah ... mid, late 20's with a black hair style
 falling on either side of the face and there was a
 taller ... ah-older women in her early, mid-30's,
 that's not very old...
 #6.5 Yea, watch yourself.
       #8 Ah ... with lighter hair ... with much lighter hair...
 ah ... going up over her head and that's as-that's
 as close as what I can see.
       #6.5 The last one you were describing ... that would be
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#8   Yea, the shorter, younger,darker haired girl ...
                            this
                            

     one here.              
                            

#6.5 Wait-wa  it a second,  just confused me.
              you           
                            

#8   First    was short,    haired...
     one      dark,         
                            

#6.5 OK, thesetwo are the   person?
              same          
                            

#8   These    are the same  
     two      person ...    
              that's not    
              it then.      
                            

#6.5 OK.                    
                            

#8   This one I can identifyth, (mumble) the other
              wi            
                            

     one.                   
                            

#6.5 OK. I'm  gonna get that.This ... and I'm try
                            to
                            

     show you .. this is    photograph that we were
     .        the old       
                            

     given    this is...    
     and                    
                            

#8   No...    is what I saw...I didn't see that.
     this                   
                            

       #6.5 You didn't see this ... (mumble) ... that's very
interesting. OK. Now, for the record we'll make
sure that we give both copies. Good luck on
trying to get a copy of this thing, right-OK.
OK, now the other one that you have identified as
possibly being in there was the younger one?
#8 Yes.
       #6.5 OK, now for the record-ah-show that he has
picked out the daughter, of looking like the
daughter of COL Holland, OK. That's OK. So go
ahead and tell us about that.
       #8 OK. The reason that I picked her is because she
was-she was the younger of the two and because
of her hairdo, mainly; the general facial
features, but mainly the hairdo where the dark
hair fell on ... evenly on both sides of the face.
OK, and... ah ... among that entire corridor was...
it ... it sort of jumped out at me that there were
a couple of women in there, that's why I gave a
little bit more.
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  "' e.
  the ... oh ... IHO;~A`an mil he ne in question that
  d f
                                 d fa
  ..Ho
  he's ... ah../Said loo ike is the one that is next
  s
  to the... afi ... ah. . oung male member of the Holland
  family.
  1/8 Let's see ... ah ... that's second from the left, yea.
  #6.5 OK. So that otta put identification on that. OK,
  very good. You have anything else you wanna say
  about the...ah... identification of any of the
  other hostages.
  #8 No.
  #6.5 OK, Very good. That'll be it.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOVE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC59
1. (S) The viewer has been exposed to open source news media
information, classified overhead imagery and photographs of many
of the hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against
the hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S) At the time of the session, the viewer was asked to
describe an area referred to as Area "I." He was shown overhead
imagery of the US Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. The area
designated as Area "I" was pointed out to the viewer by the
interviewer. The imagery is not included herein due to its
classification.
3. (S) The viewer had not worked against this target in the
past. The viewer was not told anything about the area he was
trying to describe except for its letter designation.
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