A9% r@ a Q rl""r ed For Release 200D-MTjTM96-00788ROO200013'0006-1 DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301 S-1004/DT-1 MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE 1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Por[iponio Plaza. 2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 28 November 1978. 3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure 1. 4. (S/ORCON) Following the introductions, Dr. Vorona provided opening! comments to the group. He cautioned the Committee to maintain a low profile with minimal fanfare. The sensitivity of the subject material requires that all participants be circumspect in any outside discussion of the program. 5. (U) Following these comments, the agenda was reviewed. No additions or changes were recommended. 6. (S/ORCON) The group then discussed possible names for the organiza- tion. It was decided that "GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE," following the title given to the US Army program, would be acceptable to all participants. 7. (S/ORCON) The group then agreed to establ*lsh limited access rosters. Each member organization is to develop its own roster and these will be made available to the other members of the Committee. Permanent members must possess SI/TK clearances, although participants of some "ad hoc" groups and individuals involved in research programs will only be required 'to have SECRET clearances. 8. (S/ORCON) The GRILL FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members: Dr. Jack Vorona, DIA MG E. R. Thompson, Army ACSI RADM S. Shapiro, Commander, NIC Mai Gen J. L. Brown, Air Force ACSI Dr. Lowell Dailey, USDR&E Representative Members are responsible for insuring that research and experiments fall within the legal guidelines established by the DoD and the Services. Classif iod b DeclassIfy on Approved For Release 20646~V&1)khi6T9_6-0 40 Approved For Release 2 mix 4""W mr, l3p96-00788ROO2000130006-1 A % L-.71 9. (S/ORCON) An "ad hoc" working group was established to develop Commit- tee goals and objectives. Participants are as follows: Mr. Dale Graff, FTD SGU Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy SG1 H Maj Bill Stoner, Army OACSI Mai Murray Watt, INSCOM The group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979. 10. (C) Mai Stoner then addressed problems involved with the Privacy Act and the security of the GRILL FLAME program. Army plans to develop ai security agreement to preclude compromise of the program and associated activities. In addition, the DIA Legal Counsel will be contacted for his comments. 11. (S/ORCON) Dr. iMehuron suggested that the Committee have as one of its goals the identification and extent of the Soviet parapsycholoqy programs. He also urged that", we identify current parapsychology intelliopnce collec- tion requirements, develop additional requirements and task SEEK sources. It was agreed that -this should be done. Current collection requirements will be provided at the next 'Meeting. 12. (S/ORCON) A discussion followed on the possibility of inviting CIA to attend the meetings. It was agreed that would contact SGU SG1 I -at-fe-nd subsequent meetings'. and suggest that a CIA representative 13. (S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation that each member organization maintain control over its own parapsychology research contracts. However, all Committee members will have cognizance of the total DoD contractual efforts in this area. 14. (S/ORCON) Dale Graff provided the Committee with a brief re'view of Gulyayev's visit to SRI this past November. This was followed by an exchange of current intelligence. Items are attached as enclosures 2 through 8. 15. (C) The problem of document downgrading was also by-ought to the floor. The Committee agreed that all documents originating as a result of the GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after 20 years. 16. (S/ORCON) Mr. Graff next suggested that a cover story be developed for the program; Dr. Vorona suggested that the National Academy of Sciences might back an open program to investigate paranormal phenomena. The recommendation will be brought to Dr. Davis',attention. Ong" Approved For ft-tease,70AM ,7,, hQ-00788ROO2000130006-1 I L %.;,A -Approved For Release @001M gera= 00788ROO2000130006-1 9____ V 1A L. I 17. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then urged the development of experimental protocol and methods for validating experiments. As a result, an "ad hoc" working group was established to accomplish this task. Members are as follows: Mr. Dale Graff, FTD Mr. John Kramar, AMSAA SGU Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy SG1 H Maj Murray Watt, INSCOM The working group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979. SGU 18. (S/ORCON) next provided a review of the SRI remote viewing experiments carried out at DIA this past summer. The results appear to be inconclusive, but satisfactory data interpretation keys musL still be developed. A summary of the experiments is attached as enclosure 9. 19. (U) The next meeting of the GRILL FLAME Committee will be 13 February 1979. 20. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1210 hours. 9 Enclosures V11TK,'T40N OF Awl t Q3RT Pi %@QQ,7.46 RiP02000130006-1 Approved For Rel(@' IL SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 200 WCIA-RDP96-00788ROO2000130006-1 ATTENDEES 28 November 1978 GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE SG1J SG1J SG1J SG1 I SG1H AV) 224-1157 ailv. USDRE (ReDresentative Col Albert DeProspero, USAMSAA Mr. Dale Graff, FTD Mr. John Kramar, USAMSAA Dr. William Mehuron, Navy MAJ William Stoner, Army OACSI MAJ Murra@ '@'att, iNSCOM AV) 787-6351 AV) 283-3075 AV) 225-5878 IS M @" ENCLOSURE 1 Approved For Release 2001/03/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2000130006-1