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 DoD GRILL FLAME Committee
 1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
 2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 12 July 1979.
 3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure.
 4. (S/ORCON) The meeting began with an explanation of Dr. Vorona's SG1,1
 absence from the gathering. Dr. Vorona was briefin Con ressman Rose
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 to his position at the MIIA and has resume s position at
 the DIA and will attend the meetings on a regular basis.
 5. (S/ORCON) Several members of the committee raised the question of
 the purpose of the committee and the possibility of the committee producing
 a product. While no general concensus was reached, the feeling of many
 members was that the committee serves as a point of contact between
 various agencies involved in exploring paranormal phenomenon and functions
 to coordinate these activities.
 6. (S/ORCON) The possibility of the group preparing an ICR was raised.
 Dale Graff volunteered that he had already produced an ICR and would send
 copies to the members.
 7. (S/ORCON) Several members of the group then raised the question of the
 relationship of the Steering Committee to the Working Group and the question
 of how the Steering Committee should be kept informed about the activities
 and progress of the group. It was related that each member bears the
 responsibility of keeping his respective member of the Steering Committee
 informed of the Working Group's activities.
 8. (C/ORCON) It was suggested that the group might compile a registry of
 scientists doing parapsychology research.
 9. (C/ORCON) The use of computer terminals to exchange data was ra:ised.
 DlAOLS and COINS were mentioned.
 10. (C/ORCON) Another suggestion of a group project was to compile a
 complete registry of what each agency has done or is doing in the area.
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 11. (U) Again, the question of the objectives of the group was raised.
 12. (S/ORCON) discussed the draft of a recently completed
 report by )n the pr-o-To--col for RV experiments.
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     13. (C/ORCON) John Kramar-then discussed methods for reviewing RV-data.
     14. (S/ORCON) Bill Stoner then discussed several briefings. These included
     the Army briefing the SecDef, the Under Secretary of the Army briefing
     Congressman Rose and Maj Stoner briefing the IC Staff.
     15. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona arrived to attend the afternoon portion of the
     meeting. He reiterated that each member has the responsibility of
     informing his superior on the Steering Committee of the Working Group's
     activities. He agreed that more extensive minutes with a synop@sis of
     the talks and presentations was a workin@ goal and should be accomplished
     whenever possible.
     16. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then discussed his briefing Congressmen Rose and
     Young. They were primarily interested in the funding of such projects
     within the DoD.
     17. WORCON) A discussion was then held on sending contract researchers
     to report on international meetings and the extent to which this may
     involve a conflict of interest.
     18. WORCON) Dale Graff reported to the group that the Japanese student
     who effects photographic film is to visit.the US.
     19. WORCON) The use of technically trained vs. non-technically trained
     viewers was discussed.
       SG1 1 20. (S/ORCON) interest in the unique ability
     of some crypt analysts to break codes but not be able to explain exactly
     how they did it.
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 NAME                           ORGANIZATION
                                

 Jack Vorona                    DIA/DT
                                

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 Charles E. Carter              MIA
                                

 Billy Z. Jenkins               MICOM
                                

 Scotty Watt                    INSCOM
                                

 L.R. "Bob" Dailey              DUSRAT
                                

 Bill Stoner                    OACSI, DA
                                

 John W. Kramar                 AMSAA
                                

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