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 DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
                  US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
                    FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755
 IAF[v-OPS-HU-,SA 28 Dec 79
 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
 SUBJLCT: GRILL FLAME Briefing, 27 Dec 79 (U)
       SG11 1. (U) had requested that this office provide
 his superiors with an orientation briefing concerning our GRILL FLAME
 Project. MG Thompson, ACSI, approved the request (including a by-name list
 of individuals who could attend the briefing).
 2. (C) At 1030 hrs, 27 Dec 79, the undersigned briefed the following
 personnel on INSCOM's GRILL FLAME Program:
 David S. Brandwein, GS-18
 Director, Office
 of Technical Services
 SG1 I
 MAJ John Stoner, OACSI
 3. (S) Mr. Brandwein opened the briefing session by explaining why his
 office had stopped all involvement in psychic phenomena approximately
 4 years ago. Basically, his rationale amounted to the adverse publicity
 that CIA had been receiving at that time plus the decision that the office
 of Technical Services was not involved in R&D and that at that time all
 indicators pointed to the need for some sort of R&D effort in psychic
 behavior before anyone could take some sort of firm position. He stated
 that he tried to interest the R&D side of CIA to look into "RemoLe Viewingil
 as a collection tool but that nobody was interested or willing to get
 involved in something that might give them some bad publicity.
        SG11 4. (S) I then briefed our program (see inclosure 1)..the briefing took
 nearly two hours. Mr. Brandwein and @ had to leave about 1 hour and
 15 minutes into the briefing. Everyone seemed interested in the development
 of our program and the applications that we are attempting to carry.out.
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    SUBJECT: GRILL FLAME Briefing, 27 Dec 79 (U)
    Mr. Brandwein expressed his concern that any information obtained via
    our program might find its way into the intelligence mainstream. I
    assured him that we were very much aware of that danger and taking the
    necessary steps to insure that it dido not happen.
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    I Incl @MURRAY B. WATT
                             as LTC, MI
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