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SUBJECT: INSCOM Comments to Proposed DIA Memorandum of Understanding re.
GRILL FLAME Program.
1. (U) Reference: DIA Letter, S-1922/DT-1, 7 August 1980, subject: GRILL
FLAME Program.
2. (S/NOFORN) Comments re. basic letter.
a. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2: It is INSCOM's understanding at this time there
is little liklihood SRI will be prepared to administer "new" training technique
during FY 81. SRI has done little formal experimentation in "tracking" and is
ill equipped to examine physiological functioning. SRI, at the present time, can-
not comply with "full year's effort" regarding some aspects of Statement of Work.
b. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2: INSCOM funds are limited and are directed
toward sustaining an intelligence operational. evaluation of psychoenergetics.
INSCOM cannot MIPR funds to DIA without knowing individual costs of those elc-
ments of the program that are in support of INSCOM needs, and without knowing
which elements SRI can realistically fulfill during FY 81.
c. (S/NOFORN)
should be at SRI.
no meaningful advantage,
are intended to be
effort, regardless
Paragraph 3: Nonconcur that entire first year effort
In areas of tracking and physiological monitoring, SRI offers
particularly during critical first year. INSCOM funds
employed where they can best benefit INSCOM's evaluation
of source of external support being sought.
d. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 5: A meeting of Action Officers was scheduled
for 11 Aug 80. IGFP was never notified of such intent.
3. (S/NOFORN) Comments re. Mission and Objectives Statement.
a. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph la: Functions related to development of a US ORV VA
capability have been placed behind the overall objective of threat assessment. jlf4l
Elsewhere in proposal, threat is antecedent to development of a US capability.
Recommend para la become para 1h, and objectives pertaining to development
of a US capability be moved forward in priority.
b. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph le: Recommendations re. GRILL FLAME Program
should be last objective in series.' Recommend para le become para li.
C. (S/NOFORN) Paragraphs lh and lj: Recommend combining these objectives
in para Ig,-as they are similar and must occur prior to final recommendation
and threat assessment functions.
d. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph.-Lb: Milestones for year #2 mention establishment
of a cadre of fully trained ORVs, but does not address prospect of other non-
SRI sponsored training. Exploration of alternative possibilities must be a
year #1 function, and a continuous process throughout follow on years. It is
presumptuous to assume SRI has all there is to offer and that SRI training is
the only prerequisite to achieving "full qualification." Such,pursuit of
qualification must be a continuous and dynamic process9 not limited to sole source
procurement of training and development services at SRI. INSCOM recommends
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SUBJECT: INSCOM Comments to Proposed DIA Memorandum of Understanding
re. GRILL FLAME (U)
term "fully trained" be deleted. The term "cadre" is vague. Recommend a mini-
mum level of personnel be cited to lend substance to this milestone.
e. (SAOFORN) Paragraph 2c: Milestones for year #3 include "apply all ORV
personnel to real intelligence programs". Who will provide these personne.l? Who
will coordinate collection priorities and tasking of ORV groups? Are'-such per-
sonnel to be trained only in new SRI mothodologiesor are they to include those
previously traine 'd? What is proposed 3aturation rate of tasking to be@levled
by DI'A? Will Military Services lose control of their assets during this and
the preceding year #2 data acquisition effort?
f. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2c: If Military Service ORV personnel are to par-
ticipate in "real intelligence" collection activities from year #2 onward, it
would appear the milestone "training programs for ORV monitors..." is more ap-
propriately a year #1 or year #2 milestone. Otherwise, data acquired during
year #2 and year #3 upon which final evaluations/judgements are based, will be
data provided by "trained" ORV personnel functioning under the guidance of
11untrained" monitor personnel.
g. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 3: All experimental/testing design, reports of
progress and experiment results should be cleared by joint approval of Action
,;@,,@_.Officers at the GRILL FLAME Committee level, not the COTR. COTR should monitor
day to day activity of SRI, but not have the authority to unilaterally approve/
disapprove basic initiatives or interpret results. This procedure would be in
more direct compliance with responsibilities of the COTR outlined in the pro-
posed MOU.
h. (S/NOFORN) Comment Overview: As far as INSCOM-is concerned, the object-
ives and milestones as proposed by DIA represent a step backward. The IGFP has
been training personnel for two years, has been working on real.intelligence
operational tasks for nearly one year, and has been examining "variables" impact-
ing on ORV collection for nearly two years. IGFP has directed considerable
effort toward determining guidelines for "best use" of ORV since its inception,
and Currently has a data base of over 500 ORV sessions of both training and
operational categories. SRI was tasked during an earlier contractual agreement
to develop a meaningful selection criterion (ORV profile) and essentially was
capable of providing little which was not already known and already utilized by
the IGFP in its early stages of development (refer report entitled "Special
Orientation Techniques", SRI, June 1980)
4. (S/NOFORN) Comments re. Memorandum of Understanding.
a. (S/NOFORN) Unnumbered introductory paragraph 1: In this paragraph, deter-
Oination of hostile ORV threat is placed antecedent to the goal of determining
whether a useful ORV capability can be developed. This ordering of objectives
supports rationale cited in paragraph 3a above.
b (S/NOFORN) Unnumbered introductory paragraph 2: Recommend this para-
graph'be included in introductroy paragraph 1, with wording as follows:
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SUBJECT: INSCOM Comments to Proposed DIA Memorandum of Understanding
re. GRILL FLAME (U)
"...SRI International. The GRILL FLAME Committee will seek
throughout the first year, and continually during follow-on
years, to examine capabilities developed by potential contractors
other than SRI. DIA and the Military Services will maintain
"state of the art" continuity with psychoehergetics research
within the US with a view toward diversification of external
assistance support if, and when, required by operational needs
of participating agencies/services."
c. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph dx: Recommend addition of function:
"(4) Maintain continuity with ta he art developments
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d. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph b: Recommend addition of following function if
comments of paragraph 3d, 3e, and 3f above apply:
"(5) Provide ORV (and/or) ORV monitor personnel support to
All" SRI experimentsVas required during years #2 and #3.1'
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e. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph c: If comments contained in para 3e above apply,
recommend'addition of the following task: X, r)
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"M =lect-ion rioritie!Df- or ap-
plicatic.. la@ps (commencing in
year #2), insuring that the intelligence needs of each
participating service are met."
f. (SAOFORN) Paragraph d: If comments conained in para 3e above apply,
recommend addition of following task:
"(9) Provides ve'ribatim transcripts of all experimental
ORV sessions directed against real intelligence torgetis to:
(a) The GRILL FLAME Committee, and
(b) the participating Military Service against
whose EEI or intelligence "gap" the session was
directedp and
(c) the participating Military Service whose
ORV personnel was employed,."
9. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph d: Responsibilities of.the COTR listed here do
not agree with statements contained in Mission and Objectives Statement, para 3
(refer to INSCOM Comment, para 3g above). INSCOM concurs with duties outlined
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SUB3ECT: INSCOM Comments to Proposed DIA Memorandum of Understanding
re. GRILL FLAME (U)
in MOU with single exception that the GRILL. FLAME Committee should be rcspon-
sive to inquiries from other services/agencies, vice the COTR as stated in /t
para d(B), MOU.
5. (SAOFORN) Comments re. Statement of Work.
a. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2.1: Army already has trained ORVs. Is pro-
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posed training to be in "new" SRI techniqu@o? If so, indications are the "new
technique will not be ready for another year. SRI therefore will probably be\'
unable to achieve FY 81 training goal. Refer comments para 2a above. If 0.1
training in "old" SRI technique is intended, it appears Army funding commit-
ment should be reduced, since training of that type during FY 79 was signifi-
cantly less manpower intensive for SRI than the 'Inew" technique appears. u
b. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2.2: A valid Army requirement for SRI to pursue. Noip,l
However, what is independent cost f igure.? If training of 2 ORVs in "old"', tech-
nique and audio analysis are inte ded during year #1, Army funding contribution
should be adjusted downward. IV
C. (SAOFORN) Paragraph 2.3: Refer to comment para 2a above. Again, no
formal training program exists. It is unlikely SRI could honor such a year #1
,,AKcommitment with a quality program. Other contractor possibilities should be
wt explored. Recommend Army contact USMC regarding Vietnam era employment of
dowsers, a function apparently related to tracking. Recommend that FY 81 task
be-to develop a formal training programt and,that training of Army personnel be!
moved to FY 82,
d. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2.4: SRI expertise does not appear to include
physiological monitoring capability. Recommend consideration be given to
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diversifying contractor support by examining expertise of other organizationp
The Maimonides Institute and the Meninger Foundation have made significant'
inroads into this area. The technical expertise of such organizations far out
weigh that available at SRI, insofar as bio-physical evaluation is concerned.
e. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 2.B: Quick reaction tasks should be avoided
wherever possible. Not only do they detract from the effort at hand and lead
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to numerous scheduling and production problems, but more importantly, there is I---
a great security risk in involving uncleared personnel in sensitive intelli-
gence situations.
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f. (S/NOFORN) Paragraph 6: Security Requirements. Sufficient SI/SAO
billets should be identified to properly support the program. If and when k
SRI-I commences work on operational situations, then it would be wise if all O@
personnel. connected with operational matters possess the necessary clearances.r---,
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g. (S/NOF0RN) Paragraph 7: Monthly Status Report. Not needed. The COTI
is there to insure that work is' flowing smoothly and the quarterly technical
reports should be Sufficient to enable everyone to keep abreast of current
developments.
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h. (S/NOFDRN) Paragraph 8: Suggest more appropriate term than "interpret"'6" 'ex
The contract monitor should not try to "interpret" anyonels request but rather
take requirements as stated to contractor and then serve as interface between
contractor and primary customer if clarification is needed.
6.
(S/NOFORN) Comments re. Miscellaneous Items.
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a. INSCOM is not prepared to enter into 36 months effor't with SRI-I. Is D.A9-
b. (S/NOFORN) Monthly Status Report:
SRI-I staff personnel will be spending all
reports instead of concentrating on the job
Again, this step is not
their time and efforts in
at hand.
7. (S/NOFORN) Comments re. Funding.
(S/NOFORN) Contract should be for 1 year - renewa 'gf
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b. (S/NOFORN) It is not clear where the money is coming from to fund the
levels indicated. Is DA gibing to provide $150K for the Army portion of the -3 IL
$450K? IGFP funds are directed toward INSCOM evaluation project. uk'e't 1@-49'v
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8. (S/NOFORN) Comments re. MIPR Control Provisions and Guidance. Ref item 4:
Changes in purpose scope or desired results, etc. must be approved by the GRILL
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FLAME Committee vice the Primary Contractor Monitor. Refer comment paras 3g and
g c
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