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SG1J	Notes on meeting with (DIA/OGF) 30 Jan 95:
	In general:
SG1J	SG1A
	is office of Ground Forces, DIA
SG1A	His component became responsible for management
	oversight of the DIA Stargate program about a year ago. It is
	currently LIMDIS, formerly SAP (while in the Army?). It has
	been at DIA since the late 80s [88-89?1, and may have been in
	the Army prior to that, but it is not clear that there is a
	continuous thread to follow as these may have been
	independent programs. is DIA program manager, and SG1J
	he has three remote viewers uiula-- his supervision housed at
SG1J	Ft. Meade. discussed the various program parts from his
	perspective which are loosely defined as R&D, 0 erations, and
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	Foreign Assessment.
Other meeting attendees:1
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	R&D:
The principal player in DIA's R&D effort has been Ed May
SG1J of SAIC, [formerly of SRI?]. was unable to state what
the particular R&D objectives were, although he later
mentioned a couple of examples. The program is apparently SG1J
out of money for R&D at this point. However, W:Mayrecently
received an exhaustive unclassified report frJmE- SG1J
addressing the research issues of the program which
used in part as the basis for a LIMDIS classified report he
wrote and sent to CMS; apparentlyl ]report covers only SG1J
the DIA Stargate program, and was generated in response to
the SAC CDA by the deadline of March 1. [1 requested copies
SG1J of both Ed May's unclassified document and report]. SG1J
said CMS had a copy of the report and that a copy is on
its way to Congress.
In addition, some 40 papers by Ed May relating to the
R&D aspects of the program are unclassified. These should
all be part of the R&D review we conduct. We agreed to get
from Ed May all the unclassified material we could.
Operations:
These consist of directing the remote viewers to SG1J
"access and describe the target" based on a limited
description of the target's context. had not actually SG1J
witnessed an "operation". We agreed to go to Ft Meade and
meet the viewers ourselves.
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Declassification Issue:
SG1J I ireport is also supposed to address the
aeclassitication ot the program. According to based on
the discussions which took place on this issue, it is his
opinion that nothing in this program should be classified
except US Government Sponsorship [why?]. He says that there
is no threat to national security involved, no sensitive
sources and methods. The problem may be the "giggle factor"
in that this program could be an embarrassment to some. We
stated that we intend to push the declassification issue
hard.
Customer Base:
SG1J I did solicit feedback from various customers he
has naa ror Ejs product, and did attempt to develop the
customer base. He asked some customers to fill out survey
information he devised. [With the exception of DIA, was
not aware of any customers within the intelligence
SG1J community.] It was opinion that no customers returned
for a second time after using the program capabilities once.
Highlights:
- We agreed to go and talk withi land the people
SG1J currently at Ft. Meade at suggestion.
~ We said we would push the declassification issue hard
~ We will get unclassified documents from Ed May
SG1J said held help us get a copy ofi Ireport
SG1 I We will contacti of CSI to get his help in
declassification
- We will delay contacting the NRC to set up the Blue
Ribbon Panel until we know more about the declassification
issues.
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