Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600050001 -1 INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH NVA000, DATED: 051630ZJUL78 NOT RE*4S#4- NATIONALS REVIEW ON: "a-A DC)C)i ADDroved For Release 2000/08/00: ffA-RDPS96-0078""CV"ME c cq~ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600050001 -1 0 rm;rw -1 N L. I SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-03 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote vi6win.g session conducted in SG1 B compliance with a request for information on an..individual identified as 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote.viewer's impressions of the.target are provided as raw intelligence data,.and as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NQFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S),.undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of.the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session, At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target.site. At TAB B is target cuing information provided the remote viewer. NOT RELJ4S11,R..,-L-J:~WaU=- NATIONALS F- Approved For Release 200&68%*fCIA'~PMFF96-00788ROO0600050001 -1 Approved For Release 20 W97,,,:1 ~0_pql qAt;MJ.P96-00788ROO0600050001-1 TIME #66: SG1B SG1 B SG1 B SG1 B TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-03 This will be a remote viewing session for 1000 hours, 24 March 1981. This will be a pre-session briefing to the remote viewer. This morning we are going to be.working towards a target which we have worked previously. I'm going to be asking Let me.tell you about him again to refresh your memory. SG1B He is a.very high official in theM chief of one of their He's about 53 years old, 6 feet, 175 pounds. His most distinguishing characteristic is that he is very stoop shouldered. His hair is.light and smoothly combed back, with a receding hairline. He has a SG1B beak like nose and wears reading glasses. A Want you to focus your attention on him and locate him in his surroundings at the exact time of the session, which would be about.6 in the evening there. Ten SG1 B o1clock in the morning here, but 6 in the evening in~ Do you have any questions before we begin the session? #07: No. #66: All right, then. You have 25 minutes to prepare yourself. Relax now. Relax, Relax and focus your attention solely SG1 B and com letely, solely and completely.on who I have described to you. Focus no on 6 o'clock in the evening, SG1B Focus on ... and describe your perceptions to me. PAUSE #07: 1 .... I've aot a close"up of.a ... pencil writing on paper ... notepad.. Theangle... a leftie .... SG1 B m SG1B SG1 B PAUSE +04 #07: Tried to read it..but this..have this ... other acbne interrupted... I can talk about that later but I, I'll go back and try to get, uh, under ...... *.... SG1B +07 1, uh... I had a feeling that ~ has some problems.. physical ... I think he thinks his problem is his heart... Approved For Release 200010=. 0=6-00788R000600050001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/Q5Q;i'~' Q-9tO 88ROO0600050001 -1 +Q7 #07: Doesn't like heights... Got image of ... looked like a, a park to honor someone ... circular with, circular masonry with tall, round masonry tower with statue. I was getting close-up of that from very close to statue. All of a sudden zooms straight up several hundred feet very fast. Could see whole.park and city round, but I don't like this damned altitude. SG1 B SG1 B SG1 B #66: Let's focus now on , focus-now on focus on now,.and remember to describe SG113 your experience to me and.not your conclusions. Remember SG1 B now, Tell me about- #07: My experience is...I over anarea with trees and statues. I can see buildings over there... SG1 B #66: Think now only of +10 #07: Headquarters ......... ... Yeah, it's the headquarters building. Office scene ..... dark interior,,%predominantly brown.... At desk alone ..... SG1 B #66: Now, now relax-and focus. Now that we have him, relax and focus on Focus now, relax and focus on him. Focus now. That's better.. Now tell me about SG1 B SG1 B #07: IV I, I've got a ... some writing, wall staring, doodles... tryin' to ... trying.to pin concepts together.. It's easier.. everybodyl.s gone... There's three.people outside this office that-impatient for him to leave... SG1 B #66: Focus on #07: He is ...keeps looking up at it .... some kind of board on a tri-pod over there... SG1 B #66: While he's involved in his present activity, while he is involved in his present activity, move even closer to ~ SG113 and deal with him in a more direct manner. Have SG1 B explain his job to you, not his present activity, but his job to you. #07: Okay, I'm gonna try,.~..establish contact. +15 #66: 1 will wait. PAUSE #07: Okay I ... check in. Uh, I'm having trouble because I.told him that I could help him if held just explain it to me. Help him get over this rough spot. But imagery keeps flying at me every time I ask him and ... I pursue it, thinking.that's what he's trying to tell me. And I ... getting confused. Approved For Release IF i -WNW@- 6-00788ROO0600050001 -1 Approved For Release MO.. 10-- N 0 we a 00788ROO0600050001 -1 1:', jrl. vul - F_ #07: 1 come back to ask him again.and I..fly off on another tangent. I gotta get closer. +18 #66: Tell him of your experience, and ask him to explain in a way that you can understand. PAUSE #07: Let me get rid of this. Maybe I can get rid of it. Repeatedly I get this scene of rushing through the inside of the curving tube of.unknown dimensions. It curves to the right and the left.and.up and down and I feel like I'm moving through it very fast and bankin~'as the turn goes to the . right or left. Like a high-speed roller coaster inside of a tube. I keep throwing it out as garbage and it keeps coming back and last concept of that was..he was trying to lead- me literally through..his problem. And I'm not understanding. #66: All right. #07: Gonna try again but I wanna get rid of that- #66: All right, fine. Just relax for a minute. #07: -tube. SG1 B #66: Just relax for a minute. You can use this tube. Hold in your mind only the though.of +21 Hold in your mind only that Dug n move.. own the tube, for at the end of the tube is Go ahead and move down the tube and I ku SG1 B V w a PAUSE +25 #07: I'm not sure I wanna report this ....... SG1B #66: Tell me of our experience as you focused on SG1 B #07: Came bursting out of the tube into light.... Just skip this and go to the ... I don't want to talk about this... SG1 B I asked..the being that I assume is Hawk, I mean. to let me-help him, make it possible ... to use graph cs, bring me up fast. #66: All right. All right. #07: 1 suddenly ... big TV screen up there on his left. Started +28 seeing big, white ground to air missiles swinging into position. I could suddenly see... I could.see, actually see radar energy sweeping the globe and overlapping, diminishing in power with distance.. I could see quick flashes of other forms-of defense, like damn big checkerboard, uh, chess, chess. Gotta think of all positions. Keep, keep all Approved For Release -00788R000600050001 -1 Approved For Release 2000irMYgLnA--'Ag=-nn788ROO0600050001-1 #07: positions viable and effectivep protecting all forms. There is little difference between offensive and defensive.. It depends on situation, concept. But he shouldn't ..... I see huge, monstrous globe... I see giant network of some type emanating from two different positions right now, over- lapping. I don't know if this is a communicationsmonitoring controligraphic, graphics... #66: Ask to go on SG1 B #07: I'm sorry, what was that? SG1 B #66: Ask to go on, to continue.... #07: Just.a minute. Somethin' happened and I got.a black screen... Goddamnit! His train of.thought keep momentarily flicking to personal things. I just saw a... I guess it was a family member. I..,.hels.tryin' to explain something.to me that looks like a, a,.a big hand and a armoured gauntlet around the handle of a big sward that is.encapsulated in a protect- ive cacoon like moth-balled ships. I'm trying not to try +34 and analyze that... SG1 B I'm getting very strong indications that thinks like a strategist, trying to pull in information, all kinds of concepts and weave them into a logical offensive, defensive network.. Not, feel he's not in charge of this, but is one of several working on this concept. To tighten up. #66: One of several working on a concept. +36 #07: Working on a concept of deployment of ... offensive-defensive network of weapons and monitoring systems, so that each has, each little unit has a better understanding of their position in the total network and how they affect and interface with other units of... I'm seeing a total...monitoring network when tied.into a giant ... weapons network. I get flashes of giant, thousands of tanks somewhere. Just flashes of batches here and there and there, but there's lots and lots and lots of ... missiles. #66: Okay. #07: And this screen keepso uh ....flashing. #66: Okay. #07: Seems to be capable of extreme detail and understanding. different weapons systems, state ofthe art concepts, but today he seems to be working on many, many systems, and they all seem-to be equally strong in.his interests at this moment. Like maybe he's some type of strategist, planner, tryin' to understand the whole chessboard..use each piece to the fullest extent of its capability. Approved For Release 20^ GU=IM -,00788ROO0600050001 -1 ..J L.%J I % " U- Approved For Release 200010cu~ Fl-tf-l~SMC'-"'OW88ROO0600050001-1 SG1 B #66: Oka .. Now I have no further questions about therefore I would.like you,-to give you SG1 B a few minutes.to deal with him on a personal-basis and explore as you see fit and then bid him adieu, thank.him, and we will prepare to draw. You now have a few minutes to do this. +41 #07: Do you want me to try and set-up conditions where I can talk more easily to him in thefuture? #66: Yes. I will wait. PAUSE #66: Okay. Move your arms and move your legs, take a few deep breaths, and let's prepare to draw the images that you have had. #07: Okay. Okay, uh, I came on the scene with a very close-up of a, I think it was a left hand writing on a.pad at a office at a desk. And, uh, I think my face was about 6 inches from the top of -the pencil. Uh, I found I could.see some of the SG1 B letters, but realized I couldn't reads Wnd had some problem with that. In trying to relate to him and find out what his job was I noticed that he was looking up at some!r, thing.and I saw some graphics on a tri-pod about B or 10 feet across the room. It had some colors and bands.and what- have,you I didn't understand. Uht in trying to establish *Mop, contact with.him I somehow got the feeling that he was worried or had a problem with his heart. And then-things went off SG113 kind of in a daydream and I found myself outside, uh, not-too far from =headquarters in, um, a park that I felt had been established for some kinda hero or something, Some important person. Uh, in the park was a large circular masonry area with walk- ways leading.to it, which I've shown in drawing number one. And-a very tall pedestal, uh, with a, an image.of a statue of a human being on top of it. Uhp it's probably not impor- tant,-but at that time I felt myself zooming up.away from that very, very fast. It's a very frightening experience. And I found myself asking myself whether he was trying to tell me that he had probldms with altitude. And I felt that, you know, it's not me b 'ecause-altitude doesn't bother me at all. But I felt.that he was Very frightened. I started to questions this, and I thought I better not touch it and I left it alone. At..this point I wondered why the,park was important or why I SG113 found myself there, uh, and I started looking around and I saw a very large building which I thought was = headquarters, off some distance away. This was from my position at some altitude above the, uh, the statue. - ii Approved For Release 20=C:1. UrROff 6-00788ROO0600050001 -1 Ob-OG41" Aly, "Mn 3 Approved For Release 2000/08. . - "000600050001-1 #07: Uht at that point you directed me to concentrate on, uh, the General.and try and get closer to him and to find out what his job was. Uh, I was able to establish eye contact and I felt I.had rapport and I asked a question. And while ~I'm concentrating, trying to find out how he's going--to give me.the answer I found myself looking down a long curving tube that sometimes had things like railroad tracks in it, it was looping like the..Iike a rolly coaster inside of an enclosed tube. It was running down under ground, to the right and the left and up and down.and there was times I felt I was moving very fast. I thought it was some kind of.fantasy or hallucination or-something and.Ild shake it off and come back and ask a question again andel'd see one or two abstrac images and'~ go of f,;dowh'.th& ~tube again. . But it would be different colorp different size. This bothered me and I tried to figure out momentarily whether...maybe I was inside of something as small as electronics and running around through the electronics or whether I was actually in something as big as a underground train, uh, going from city to city or some- thing. I realized I was analyzing and dumped-that. And I believe when I tried to get rid of.it so I could get it out of my mind and,gbte:away from it I believe I told you about it. #66: That's correct. #07: And I believe I mentioned I was tryin' to get away from it. and you told me to use it and go down the tube, follow it all the way to the end and.I would.find, uh, the General. I tried that and it was a very hairy emotional,.uhg physically stimulating experience. And I found myself questioning whether I should be doing this or not. And about that time I, uh, broke out into what I think, uh, could best be described as, as a feeling of a reality, Uh, there was no more feeling of motion or speed, uh, it's just.that- oh, he's right! I'm here. It happened.. Uh, I found myself in the presense of a being that was symbolic of this.General. And after I got used to the idea and.realized that this was he I started trying to establish.contect and rapport and I found myself promising things that made me feel uneasy, trying to convey that I was a friend and it was.all right to share ideas with me. Uht I don't know if it's important or not but at this time I little bit panicky and tried to back off and reword my promises so that they weren't...they weren't demanding on me in the future. Uh, and about that time he looked to his left and up towards the ceiling at-a TV and it came on and there was all kinds of beautiful graphics, uh, conveying concepts that I may or,may not.have interpreted. A very crude drawing of the scene I just describedis in drawing number two with the General sitting at the desk and the TV, uh~ near the top center of the, uh, the drawing. Approved For Release 21nrdTmFMr%A-ih -00788ROO0600050001 -1 !?~,*V Approved For Release 2000/08 M 000600050001-1 T EZ #07: Uh,-there was times while we were,.incidentallyt this resulted from my asking him to explain to me very quickly what his problem was and what he was working on so that-I -could help him get-through a sticky point that he wast uh, having at that point. And$ uh, when I started looking at the screen I lost.sight of the TV itself and started seeing graphics,as a total scene, not as looking at a TV screen in the room. And basically I was seeing very fast, rapid cuts of, uh, sophisticated weaponry, uh,, but first I thought primarily defensive. And then I saw a overlapping fans of a radar encompassing a globe. Uh, there was times I could see the total sphere, and there was times I could see only a portion of the curved, uh, horizon. Uh, and then I felt that.he was trying to convey to me that something about defense and offense,, uh, as.he looked at it being the,same thing. But, uh, it was the same weaponry, it was the same concepts.aChdonly the commander knew whether it was defensive or offensive. But I felt that he leaned more strongly towards the offense being defensive. And I'm not sure I understand that. But he also felt that the troops didn't need to understand that. Uh, there was a point where this giant globe with all of thev these positions of units spread around the globe of weaponry and monitoring systems, communications systems, uh, all seem to have equal importance, nothing being dominant. As though he were able to think of the.total concept and not, uh,.be highly specialized. And I questioned this at that because I had previously talked to this gentleman and he was deeply into something that particular day that was.very specialized. And I felt that he received many briefings and observed many demonstrations on the state of the art equipments. And then he came.back and did work as a strategist, a planner, uh, trying to utilize all of these concepts as efficiently as possible, uh, and as effectively as possible.without leaving any voids or vulnerability, areas of vulnerability. Uh, once I saw what was happening here this even disturbed me because I was afraid I might be taking the-word General and saying, yeah this is what-all Generals do. This really bothered me. Uh, but I got over that because I felt that Generals primarily to-command to attack to utilize these things,. rather than set up the concept. So I became more com- fortable with that. And that, can remember I think that's basically about, uh, as much as I got out of it. #66: Tell me a little bit more about these graphics of the globes and how they appeared to you. #Q7: Uh ... there wast it'd be like 35mm slide cuts, a flash on, was a very.quickly,.uh, weaponry, some of which I recognized. Uht I get a out of a thousands of tanks. And I'd get a. flash of a globe and I Id see, you know, something indicated Approved For Release 2000M/,&7t-trc~F3P"-00788ROO0600050001-1 Approved For Release 2000/ 8ROO0600050001 -1 ~ ~'. 1, 4-- LZ 1 #07: they.were over here on this portion of the globe and I'd get a flash of another batch and I'd see a.mountain and something and all of a.sudden a globe way around over here. As though there were tanks and weaponry spread at different strategic points. Oh, there was another thing that I think was.symbolic that I may or may-not have stated, but I saw a,.an ancient.armoured gauntlet, uh, like a paht of a piece of ancient armour, a human armour, that was grasping a sword. And it was encapsul- ated in a cacoon like shape, like we use to moth-ball our ships. And I instantly had the feeling that there were, there was weaponry somewhereg.kinda moth-balled, waiting, uh, not being manned now, but waiting in readiness that would be manned. I may or may not have mentioned that, I- #66: Okay. #07; -thought it was important. But it was like a symbolic sort of thing. #66: Okay. #07: The graphics were, some time I'd find myself looking, the globe would be.out of the TV and maybe 20 to 40 feet in dia- meter and I'd be under it looking around it and all of this in more detail, higher resolution. And I'd get excited tryin', 'cause,-gosh if I could remember this and go back and plot it, you know, and then the whole blame thing would blow up on me an 'd disappear and I'd have to go back and ask him.a question again. And a lot of the things it looked like I had resolution in.detail, when I started to zoom in,on it and grab it so I could bring it back I'd just lose it. And this happened manyp many times on me. Uh, the graphics were very good, they were in color. And-it-was primarily cut so various.pieces.of weaponry located at.various points around the plobe and a very large network embnatihg from.two points. I don't know where those points were but in this case it looked like two round disks somewhere on the globe, some- where, uh, in the east with lines, straight lines emanating from it. Uh, and I felt that was some kind of a communica- tions network or monitoring system. #66: Okay. #07: 1 think that was about it, unless you can remember something else. #66: And you talked about the radars, you,talked about weapons, the communications thingp and then radarst too. #07: Yes, I- the radars? #66: Mm-hmm. 1'A Approved For Release 2oqnm-st&-= Ammirm00788ROO0600050001 -1 Approved For Release 20000"i vwTD788ROO0600050001 -1 .Z,, U9rrXLtr . #07: Uh... I became startled when I felt I could see the radar energy, uhy encompassing much of the globe in that part of the world, uh,.and I was lookin' primarily at the east, off towards Europe. Uh. I could see the density of this energy diminishing as it fanned out and as it reached out in range, uh, which-might've been a logical thing because I understand radar. But I'found myself startled because I could see it. Then I got to where I.could handle that and I thought well, gee, I'll, I'll look at all this and bring it back. And I could see that there was a lot of overlap, was very few, if any, voids, and again I thought find out where the strong points are. Find out where the control is. And it disappeared, it went to, flashed to another image. And I-promised myself I'll get back to that, I'll get back to that. And all of a. sudden I'd get wrapped up in a new-scene and I'd forget about it. But-it was a very confusing, uh, high-speed, kind of exciting session, #66: Okay. I have no further questions. Is there anything else you Id like to add? #07: Uh, nothing I have to add #66: Okay. 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