Approved For Release 202ffFjo;,,.0m1,'~-PQQ 6-0078-8ROO0600770001-2 + INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY:MSGIDAMI-ISH DATED- 051630ZJUL'70 *mooe NOT RELEASABLE "TO FOREIGN NATIONALS REVIEW ON:. ~-* ^ 0 r.7r- LZWr,,% L.7- Id OV1 ~- A M Approved For Release 2000/08/07: CIA-RDP96-00788624 Approved For Release 222/=Vq# R 96-00788ROO0600770001-2 J L- %J I N L. I SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-83 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request for information. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and as such,.have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the-target site. At TAB B is target cuing information proijided the remote viewer. NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release 20aw Dif96-00788ROO0600770001-2 Approved For Release 20a"474"M"11 Mirne-00788RO00600770001-2 t~_~h L~. %.OF I % ~I TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-83 TIME #14: This will be a remote viewing session for 30 June 1981. Mission time is' 0930 hours. All right #01, this will be a pre-mission brief. Basically the first part-of our mission is.to determine if those vehicles portrayed in the.photo and the one on the drawing, if they are one and the same. Uh, another part of the mission is specific interest in this dish, in this box. Is that an accurate portrayal of that particular sysLe 'm? And further requirements will come down as we get into the session. Any questions? #01: Uh-uh. #14: Okay. 0930 All right #01,the time is now 0930. I'd like you now to compare the drawing of a vehicle with the photo of some vehicles and tell me are these two the same?... #01: Just a minute ......... Okay, there's some, uh, differences in the vehicles in the photo... They're, uh, their armament's different, different kind of rocket... Some of the crew members are different. Therels~ uh, more crew members with the photo vehicle:. Tryin' to find some hardware differences and 11m..I'm finding a great deal. Think the, uh, vehicle's essentially the same, only the, the dish is larger... Dish is larger in the photo than on the, uh, the drawing. And I don't see the, uh, the box where it is in the drawing. It's) uh, apparently in an integral portion of the back of the dish.. mounted more to the center. There's like a piece of flashing over it..metaliic plating of some kind .... #14: Is,there any connection between the box and the dish? #01: Yeah, they're fastened together. There's a ... just a minute.... Dish actually plugs in and is, uh..bolted right to the facing of this box.unit... Get like a, uh, short-section of internal cable with a, uh, six prong plug.... Has a, apparently a, not a very complex guidance system of some kind. Extreme high frequency emitter..... It's, uh9 it's got like.a, uh...just a minute... I keep wanting to, uh , call it a ground to air role but it's not. It's a~ uh, ground to ground targeting device. Approved For Release 2000/08107" CIA'tFkQPJ6-00788ROO0600770001-2 r% r- 1"% M r"0101 - I- Approved For Release 200"ln-7~:twAr,~T,~.--Pb6-00788ROO0600770001-2 #14: What is it that gives you that impression? #01: 1 see the dish employed in the line of site, just shy of over the horizon. #14: Okay~ before you go in too far could you perhaps explain a little bit more what you mean by a very simplistic,. uh, apparatus as far as the dish and the box are concerned. #01: Okayo I see a, uh, like a partitioned sectioning in the box.. with the front section that's.partitioned out as an emitter, +40 high frequency emitter.. Has a receiver section that's very small. Appears to be a, uh, very simplistic logic.section of some kind. And that.l.s all that's there. There's a ... some kind of-a, it's like an override of-some..kindo it's got a external plug or connector-that will, uho override the, uh, the logic section so these can be treed together like, uh, for one purpose. Like a row of launchers can be parked side by side and all directed from a singular command module.... #14: What type of information does the dish radar provide to the crew? #01: Okay, just a minute.... I get an impression of, uh...get an impression of armor silhouettes at, uh, extreme distance, just shy of, uh, over the horizon. Like for bad weather-like ground impressions. I'm just getting like a, uh, picture of an oval or round screen with a dye-on green line, and then like splotches an the line. Just blocked areas on the line. #14: How many crew members operate this vehicle? +45 #01: Uh, it can be operated with four, but there's a fifth..a fifth man.. I think he's probably theq uht the commander, the unit commander. Four basic operators.... It's like a, uh, sort of a storage bin inside the vehicle for additional rockets as well. Appear to be laid in horizontally or width-wise. #14: Do you perceive any other systems for targeting~ for fire control and so on within this vehicle? #01: Just a minute. PAUSE Theo uh ... I get a... like a feeling for some kind of an IR type device an an upgraded form of rocket. It's like a terminal homing device of some kind. I think it's IR but I'm not sure. I'm getting an impression of, uh, like a- ' like a gyro type cone. I think it's in one of the rocket typeso rockets. #14: Other than the rockett focusing on the vehicle itself~ focusing on the vehicle itself, is there another type of guidance system? 2 Approved For Release 20nQJ'tn-1`-A71 %_7 L.%Jl"% -11 __ -0788ROO0600770001-2 Y1_% r- a Q G;"Or Approved For Release 2000luegiL.%&)Ftr%Wq-uO788ROO0600770001-2 #01: Just them uh..the standard kind of, uh...I don't know what to call it- periscopic type aiming device. Like What's, uh, standard type physical siting. Looks like it's in some form of a periscope or goes through some oblique type lms. -Get an impression of stepped hairs on a vertical line that give indications of distance. +50 Then a, uh, bar type horizontal line-with markers indicating, uh, angle. This.rotates approximately 30 degrees left andright... I don't see any other kind of aiming devices. It has no, uh, no direct tie-in to the, uh, the box and dish. #14: As if it were separate? #01: Apparently it's completely separate..other than, uh, I think it's used,for aligning basic acceptance perimeters to the..so that the addition on that can be used. But it can also be used as separate ....... I don't see any other aiming devices. It's all just a very rugged system.. #14: Focusing back on the high frequency emitter- do you have any perception of the frequency of this emitte.r?..... +55 #01: Keep getting 40. 1 don't know if that's gigahertz or..how many thousands, but it's four-zero something. Extremely high... I get like a, uh, possibly three different operating frequencies. And their optimum operating frequency is four-zero. And then, uh, I get like a three-seven and a-three-five..like 40 gigs and 35 and then 37. Didn't get alternate frequencies.. I get a feel for more power than is necessary as well. I don't ..... It's like this thing is overpowered for some reason... #14: All right #01, 1 just have one final question on it. I would like you to move to a point where this piece of equipment is operational and they're using it in a test mode perhaps, they're actually firing it. Describe how this vehicle's utilized... +60 #01: 1 got like a, uh, get the feeling I'm somewhere in East Germany. I got a, uh, shallow valley, and there's a number of these vehicles parked at the end of the valley on a bluff. They're oriented down to the back side of the valley. The launcher is like extended upward, but horizontal to the ground. And it's used to, uh, to launch against, uh, just to launch against armor. Getting a confusing feeling here. I'm not like getting a feeling for singular armored vehicles. I'm getting a feeling for numbers pf armored vehicles. And I don't, uh....its an anti-armor type weapon. #14: Okay. I have no further questions. We'll pause at this time. #01: Okayj for.debriefing here. The, uh, page one is a, uh, group of three views of the launcher. First views or view A is a side view, and B is the top view,-and C is the end view looking from the front. Call it the end view front. Uh, the dish is somewhat larger than what was in the drawing, And it actually Approved For Release 2000QQZ9=_00788R000600770001-2 U~ " %.f 9 % L~ I e1% r~ QQr- Approved For Release 2000/0UWLS;W F151-A-10788RO00600770001-2 #01: affixes right to the front of the box. There apparently is like.a stacking,of two box units there. But the top box is primarily the radar.. The bottom box is a power unit, what I perceive to be like a power unit. Something to do with motors. The, uh, dotted line that I put, or the dotted line in the- or the dotted box that I put on the launcher that I wrote "there is no box here" is in the drawing.. Okay. That's where I per- ceive the drawing to depict the box. And that's totally wrong. Page two..is the ocular or periscopic type aiming device. I have a front view Aq and a side view B. And C is like what you per- ceive with your eye when you look through the eyepiece. And what it is, it's a circle oblique that kind of rotates around as you move your eye over a plate.. And the plate has got cross- hairs with indicators of distance and 4+0 , But superimposed over that is like a box, some kind of a Box. And I perceive that to be like minimal type aiming-perimeters. Like as if in order to use the radar you have to be within those perimeters, or this is.a minimum distance type of thing, you know, that you can't operate at less than-that kind of thing. #14: Where did you perceive that thing on the vehicle from the- like on the outside? #01: On the outside? Dead, smack center front. I mean, if you drew a hair dividing the vehicle., if you looked at the vehicle from the front and split it straight.down the center this would be dead center front. You know, up as high on the vehicle as you Gan go, but dead center front.. Page threeis a view of the radar display that goes with the radar box and dish on page one. Basically it's a split screen, bottom half is a light green haze, top half is dark., Very deep green line goes all the way.across. And then there's some, what appear to be some form of-radials going out from the center. And the targets in the screen appear to be blotches, just blotches of some sort. Almost like noise splatter or something. And that's itq unless you got any more questions. #14: 1 can't think of any. #01: 1 kept tryin' to think of, you know ... how this thing.targets. And I just don't get a..I-keep.tryin' to put the, you know, the cross hairs on the enemy tank, so to speak, and I just can't get that.. I get columns of.tanks, or armorg and I just get, you know, just the general pointing of this thing. So there's bither a smart rocket that it uses that seeks out it's own - target, or it's a general purpose type thing that just goes for a kill area versus a kill item type thing, 'cause of the type of employment or warhead or what-not. That's all I goL. #14: Very good End of session. 4 Approved For Release 20001MOM .-Inl 0788R000600770001-2 C-= * =L0 U. 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During-the session the remote-viewer was asked if the vehicle in the sketch and the vehicles in.the photograph were identical. He was then asked to describe the guidance/tracking systems in detail. -,NOW, NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS Approved For Release ":'EhitL ADP96-00788ROO0600770001-2 SG1C Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600770001-2 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600770001-2