Approved For Release 200KJ!~7MQKfg~ "6-00788ROO0600780001 -1 INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT F IAKE CLA IFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH DATED: 051630ZJUL78 NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS REVIEW ON: L ^ r~,X-N,,V% f~nr 2t Approved For Release 2000)d,~741A%-kMI6-00788ROO06(i~Wd-Olf1 -4 Q%-~ I c*, a Approved For Release 2QDpS7r~a&4pP96-00788ROO0600780001 -1 SUMMARY ANALYSIS N%W111 REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-84 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request for information. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing information provided the remote viewer. NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS Q =Q VWX Approved For Release 260efMOW tkLRDID96-00788ROO0600780001 -1 Approved For Release 20=t!i:zbf,~1"6-00788ROO0600780001 -1 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-B4 T IME. #14: This will be a remote viewing session for 30 June 1981; mission time is 1200 hours. PAUSE #14: All right #07, the time is now 1200 hours. You have looked.at the sketch of a vehicle, and a photo of some vehicles. I want you now.to focus, focus on these vehicles and tell me are they identical? Is the vehicle in the sketch identical to the vehicles in the photo? PAUSE +05 #07: 1 got a look at....the ones in the photo ... firing ...... firing a whole batch of small, small rockets, Like...long~ thin, 2-24 inches diameter rockets fired, uh ..... looks like....split seconds apart ... many go in the same time. -One rocket wouldn't be more than ... 50 to 75 feet ... more coming. Looks like ground to ground rather than to ground/air. N%0011~ #14: Focus on the guidance system. How do these rockets hit their targets? #07: Which one? The one in the photo. #14: Concentrate on the ones in the photo, yes. Describe the guidance system. PAUSE +07 #07: 1 have some discrepancies here of some kind. I'm getting overlay from one or the other ...... I don't know what's hap- pening but there's some kind of high frequencyq high frequencyl beamo beam rider ..one system. Another system, photog I think ... Seems more crude: Like ..... controlled trajectory. Some type of ... feeling that it's optical or infrared .... sighting. Not bore sighting, but..-..some kind of computer interfaced with optical line of sight and range ..... I don't know ... what it's worth .... appears that the ones in the photo were firing .... over the stern rather than the bow ......... &............. The other extra rockets were ....... extra smaller rockets were carried in ... somewhere in the hull of the ones in the photo... Approved For Release 2000ivwpft u'6788ROO0600780001 -1 Approved For Release 2000 ~C,-1J;X%. CW=-,rn0788R000600780001 -1 - '"i L.W I % L~ 1 #07: The ones in the photo... remind me of...a launcher that used to be ... had pop"up top, tracked vehicle pop-up top. But rockets are different, and stay up. I-guess it has same type of 14~ mission... One in the drawing ... one in the drawingg I'm trying to figure if its guidance system is passive or active... Okay. He can operate either way... Thirteen appears to be..guidance be passive or active... #14: Okay, focus on the active mode of the guidance. Focus on the active mode. Describe this as best you can. #07: I'm seeing something like a tiny..I don't know that that'.s true, I.don't have anything to judge sizet but... I thought I was seeing about a half size firecan.... There's something else. I get a feeling or awareness that there is another piece of.equipment somewhere..that acquires the target..range and azimuth to get the tracked vehicle to-the ball park for lock-on. Something else somewhere. #14: Find this other equipment. Describe it to me. #07: 1 don't see it. And I don't see a hard cable connection either..... #14: Okay, I'd like you to focus now- #07: Wait a minute. #14: All right ..... +20 #07: 1 had another vehicle somewhere. It has some stuff on it that I think was something folded. But it's not hard wired to ... I can't make out the detail, I don't know what it is. Two, two things on it that were.either transmitting or receiving, uh..some type of signal. I can see two directional beams.into it or away from it, like a flashlight. Had the feeling it was transmitting.because the beam was so narrow it would seem like the whole areald be.. awash with this energy if it was receiving it. Looks kinda like big box, with two nondescript shapes on it. I don't-doesn't look like any antennas I've ever seen. That's about it,on that. #14: Okay This time I'd like you to focus on the passive guidance system, the passive system that you mentioned. Describe thist if you can, to me ....... 60. #07: 1 don't know, I'll think about that~.but...I had the feeling there.was some kind of a..just a minute ..... I'm sorry,.got to +24 look at somethin' else... Oh, some kind of frequency scanner.. with a computer.-.hook-up for discrimination against..identifica- tion of frequency pattern by computer. I don't know how the hell to get the rocket back to it though.. Oh yeah... Once it's triggered it'll ride the incoming beam back to the transmitter.... I mentioned infrared. 2 Approved For Release 200QQ&CQ'Q" 00788ROO0600780001-1 , &-a V001 -4 - I &~ I - Approved For Release 2000nlS7'f;*'F'~~0788R000600780001 -1 IZ7 L_ ~~ I$ V \ L~. I #14: Tell me more about this infrared also. #07: 1 don't know muchq it just keeps buggin' the hell out of me. It's some,kind of a ... some kinda radiation lock-on, and I think it must be..infrared 'cause it...doesn't seem to be tied to some- thing active like a incoming enemy radar, like something they can't-help. It must be-locking on to infrared emissions of some kind ....... There's something funny... I-had the distinct feeling this thing was quite heavily armored ... but I keep getting the feeling this thing had better-better dig in, because it's soft. One hit and she's out. Even small stuff. Lot of electronics.. I.don't know, I just keep seeing the damn thing in...in a drive-through trench. PAUSE Was I workin' on anything specifi.c? #14: No. +30 #07: I'm looking at,some kind of..oh, I don't know. Some type of very light structural material. This thingIll take, it's very light material with it, but it'll take exploding shrapnel nearby pretty good. But it's not very heavy. Some kinda composite. Almost like looking at the illustration of layers of paint on one of Sears Roebuck..toolshed~ which is layer after layer of somethin' ... Each layer tuned to react different than-for a specific purpose. I don't know. I just feel like it's light, it won't take, won't take direct hit, even from conventional shells, small. #14: Okay. Focus on the crew. How many people do you see in the vehicle, operating it? ........ #07: 1 don't know, I'm confused .... I see two sensor consoles, a loader, and a driver. It could be the driver is also a loader. Apparently they carry a few extra rounds that they can load up. But I see two distinct..jobs related to acquisition. I don't know whether one guy handles that or not. I'm getting a strong feeling for three people but I think there's four distinct.. four distinct jobs. Driver..I think does something else besides drive... #14: Describe the operation of the two acquisition systems... #07: It seems9 I see..couple people functioning as scope jockeys. Must be some audio of some type becausb...well, maybe not. Theyl.ve-got something on their head like...like earphones. Could be earmuffs, I guess...But I.had the feeling that at least one of 'em was concerned about audio. Both of 'em watching scopes. Both positions have scopes. I may be inventing that other oper- ator to go with the extra positions. #14: Are both of these scopes the same? Approved For Release 20qr&19 A r% 1WR 00788ROO0600780001 -1 77~ %09~X L. Approved For Release 200,rC11MQ AMM-00788ROO0600780001 -1 #07: Just a minute. Uh, having trouble with detail on these..sensor stations, they're clouded.. The scope is high center on one and..the other'one has a five inch scope lower left and couple little things look like small ones, about three inches..to the right and up. I'm having difficulty gettin' the resolution +45 here ..... The scopes must..this could be imagination. I seem to see a red glow reflecting off of everything in here. Feeling of a sensor station..face-forward... At least one seat can swivel*..... ......... What the hell was that? Somebody screwin with the lights? #14: No. We're gonna have to pause here anyhow. #07: What happene.d? #14: Okay, we're back on the air. We had to turn the tape over, we were running out of tape. NOTE: The light intensity in the room was temporarily modulated by voltage fluctuation due to an air conditioner starting up on the same circuit. The fluctuation in brightness disrupted the viewers concentration. #07: Give me a few minutes. PAUSE #14: Okay #070. is there anything further that you can add about the configuration of the guidance system or systems? ....... 0......... #07: 1 keep getting a ... when I ask the question I keep getting some- +50 thing like some kind of gaseous, uh, something, but I can't make sense out of it. #14: Okayt I have no further questions at this time. Is there any- thing else you would like to add before we terminate? #07: 1 don't think so. #14: Okay. I want you now to focus on this room, want you to take a deep breath$ stretch your arms, stretch your legs. We'll pause now to make some sketches. Okay, we're now ready for debriefing. #07: Okay, uh, in number one, what I saw in the air was a long, thin rocket, two to three inches in diameter. I felt it was closer to two than-it was to three. Four fins on it, and really looked fast.. I meant it was moving fast, almost startling the way it came blasting out of there. Um, I-don't know whether the fins were folding or not.. I couldn't make.it out. And I thought there was a..from what I was lookin'.at.there was a lot of these things streakin' through the air at-about a 45 degree angle, and .% 4 Approved For Release 20064ftDC7 '7 0788ROO0600780001 -1 ." ~ ir- jcl% Approved For Release 2000WO'Dil - no788ROO0600780001-1 #07: all at the same angle. Uh, like it was laying down a barrage somewhere. I would- thought I would've seen a much larger box support in the kind of fire power I was looking at, kind of fire I was looking at. I didn't see them coming out of, uh, the chute. I could look over and I could see the, uh,.the weapons system. But I definitely felt that there was several of them firing from each system. Or had that capability. Was something about the fire control I thought had something to do with optical line of sight.. And the-computer was blocked into this somehow or other, I'm not quite sure how. #14: You also mentioned an infrared type- #07: Infrared was- I can't remember if infrared was tied in..to one or both of lem. I seem to remember it was tied to both of 'em somehow or another. The, drawing.number two the inside of the, uh, weapons system. Felt there was two positions or at least two sets of consoles. Uht I don't know whether one person manned them both. Uh, if he did he was very busy. Or whether it had two people. I had the feeling it had two people monitoring. Uh, the one on the left had a small five, six inch scope lower left and some other little scopes, uhf smaller, to the right, and the, uh, position to the right, which I've numbered number one had a five inch about center and above center. I can't, I didn't look for buttons and other things. I remember there was a couple things with needles on em, but I didn't pay much attention. I was trying too hard to determine whether there was one or two consoles. Uht I felt that primarily the, uh, they were lined up thwart ship or across the tracked vehicle rather than lined up along one side. I would've expected them to be lined up..I would expect them to be lined up along the right side. I don't know why. But what I was looking at I felt, from inside, I felt was partially on one side and going across the center. Just then you asked the question about the support, uh, vehicle, which I felt was some type of acquisition type of system. Uh, I felt very strongly I should see cables running to some of these other tracks~ uh, that was doing the firing. I looked for trenches, I looked for cableso I didn't see them. And I.remember feeling thatp uh, they were, if they were doing it via radio that they were highly vulnerable. And I realized I was analyzing so I shut off right there and just dropped the whole thing and didn't fool with it anymore. That's probably why I can't get any good, firmf discriminating imagery of the support vehicle except I thought it was tracked. I.saw something that looks rather boxy at one time which I thought was two circular emittors or receivers, and I felt I could see something like a beam, two beams from this box. And at that point I started analyzing it again, because I thought if they were receiving that the whole place would be awash with energy and it would just be receiving that portion which was incident upon it. Therefore, I wouldn't see a narrow beam, so I thought Approved For Release 200KI_6~n t"nA"'nM-00788RO00600780001 -1 777 LZ WTV ~ I Approved For Release 20. P" =;6-00788R000600780001 -1 If!~%41"Irv=1111 #07: it must be active. And at that point I recognized again that I was analyzing and I chopped-off again and I can't remember what happened after thatt I just lost it. I shut off two or three times because I realized it was so interesting I thought, I-realized I was analyzing and I didn It want to do that. That's about it. #14: Okay, I have no further questions. 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(S/NOFORN) During the session the remote viewer was asked if the vehicle in the sketch and the vehicles in the photograph were identical. He was then asked to describe the guidance/tracking systems in detail. NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS ORCON Approved For Release 20 T,.,IA-ADP96-00788ROO0600780001 -1 SG1C Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600780001 -1 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO0600780001 -1