Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 SECR GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH DATED:051630ZJUL78 REVIEW ON: GRILLFLAME NOT RIF M?rN NATIONALS Approved For Release 200 FW16-00788 ROO 1000240AO 1 -5 ORCON . &5 ~D cl-~ Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 ll`~ t0% ~ % 1~~r SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-65 1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3t OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, DC. The purpose of the session was to provide information relovant to the hostage situation in Iran. 2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing informa- tion provided the remote viewer. 5. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer was asked to locate Thomas Ahern and describe his surroundings. The viewer felt that Ahern was located on the U.S. Embassy compound in a building which had a large square booth in the center of a large hallway and a curved balcony overhead. The viewer identified four other U.S. hostages at this same location. Those hostages are Graves, Lee, Subic, and Blucker. The viewer also felt -that physieBI security at this location has been relaxed somewhat. 6. (S/NOFORN) This remote viewing session took place concurrently with Session D-66. NOT RELE^1 RTIONALS/ORCON Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000 0 7 - C AA-RDP96-00788 ROO 1000240001 -5 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-65 TIME #14: This will be a remote viewing session for I October 1980. Mission time is 1030 hours. PAUSE #14: All right #10.5, the time is now 1030 hours. Your mission for today is to locate Thomas Ahern. I want you to describe his location to me, describe any other hostage personnel at this locationo and tell me about the physical security at this location. I want you now to relax, relax, concentrate, focus your attention on ThomaG Ahern. PAUSE +10 #10.5: Uh ... okay, I'm under a roof feeling .... a large room .... door appears..uh..offset from middle of the room. It's more towards one end ...... on the ground. I'm on the floor trying to find out what I got here. PAUSE +15 #10.5: I'm getting the .... he is in the building that.....the stairs on the right, stairs on the right, and he is upstairs to the right. I'm there. He is ..... in the lobby area upstairs, and ...... and on the left side of the hall .... ummm ...... farther to the other end, but not at the end .... uh ... like one square back from the end of theliall, left side. PAUSE #10.5: lie is alone in the room ...... go in bed right side drawing some blocks ..... boxy thing by the door ........... have to peek around it to see him. I'm going to go next door ....... .............. Give me a minute. PAUSE +25 #10.5: The ....... man next door is a older man, glasses, widows peak, thinning hair on top. I can ...... uh ......... recognize him ............... His bed is on the left. Vie seems to be sitting up. Fewer people in here than before ........... Approved For Release 200~~J 1 96-00788R001 000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000/0=7--f"'A PQPSr,-00788ROO1000240001-5 PAUSE #10.5: Up around ...... uh ...... feeling next door ................. Wait a minute. #10.5: I'll try again ........ a guy that looks looks like a guy the guards. PAUSE again ...... ummm ........ I keep getting like Abraham Lincoln, and the kid that I know .......... Okay. I'll go to work on PAUSE #10.5: Ummm ..... got a walkiiig guard upstairs. He ...... walks up and down the heall. Has a ..... automatic weapon on his shoulder, (casually draped over his shoulder. He walks back and forth ........ okay. I'm on the move now. I'm in .... uh .... overhea +34 sitting area. There's only one guard in the hall. And verhead sitting area was a rail overlooking the ..... Uh... 0trance to the lobby. Curved railing. Haven't got anybo~ +35 up here. Guard leans over the railing and yells down in the lobby talking .......... and tie's talking right straight down. Sort of below of there is that box thing, I didn't see it when I came in, but it's there now ....... got a couple guys i tt ing there with ....... uh ....... feet draped up on ..... uh desk and tie's sort of chatting then leaning over the rail..:.7>01 ( that is ..... uh ....... some reason I'm not attracted to the other wing. PAUSE #10.5: Some feller's (phonetic) up here sitting room ... not ch-cheap plastic dayroom furniture and overstuffed type thing. I'm going downstairs, and right through the center of the lower ... okay ... ummm ... any (mumbling) square here ............. It's got a -table in front of it. And, it's got a door in the back of it and bullshitting with the people upstairs. I did not have the table. This is no table. There was a table somewhere around here, and uh, they are moving all ..... darken in there ....... security the least intent there than before, and right now, I want to say is this guy down at the end of the ground level floor hall, leaning against, leaning against the ........... wall. Fie's not hiding. Fie's just sort of leaning against the hall sort of looking back up towards to the central lobby, and he's like down at the end which is the dumb place to be. Four guys. This is it. +40 Now, Outside ....... I'm still getting ... ummm ... I want to go out the doors and see what I'm ..... uh ..... and go back 2 Approved For Release 200 e KWTV-00788ROO1000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000/ 00788ROO1000240001-5 OROP c7c:u I XL. 1 #10.5: ........ and put myself in front of the desk ........... PAUSE #14: All right #10.5, you continue to work as you're working. At this time I have to change the tape, which I will do as quietly as possible. #10.5: Right. #14: The tape has been changed. We are now ready to continue. PAUSE #10.5: HummmmmmIlm in the place that's got the woods outside. Ummm.....path through the woods. Think that's where I am. I think I recognize -the building from before. And, ...... uh ..... definitely less security than five, six months ago, because I think there are fewer people here. It doesn' t seem like this is the many people packed in here is to begin with ...... but, I think I'm on the compound, and I'm in the place where ........ some woods Outside, and, you know, I could go back through ...... uh ...... other reports and find it. That's about it. Don't feel there's anybody outside like there was before. There were a couple of skulkers in the woods before, but there's none there now in the immediate area, anyway. There's none around here. That's about it for me. #14: Okay. #10.5. Very good. You had a good session. End of session. We'll be ready for debrief' in a few seconds. #10.5: Okay. #14: We are now ready for debrief. #10.5: What do you want first? #14: (Sigh) Let's see. #10.5: I'll give you the, I'll give you the downstairs lobby type description ...... Uh ...... okay ............ #14: Sure. #10.5: ...... for identification of the structure. #14: Yeah. And, and I believe in the same area, you were mentioning some kind of leaning o wr railing, box like thing, and ....... uh ........... 3 M_ 1=r Approved For Release 2~1F If wr%rL::Lir,7V-00788R001 000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 rMQ 0 #10.5: Yeah, that was like ...... yeah, that was when I started looking for guards, yeah, okay. Uh ..... okay, it's ..uh.- There is some funny box like thing there.... this. ... It's as though the damn thing sits in the middle of the room. I don't know if I've made this up and carried it with me throughout this project or not, but there's something there like a booth that sits in the middle of the damn..... and, in front of this booth here, I've drawn the table ........ and, I had the feeling during the cession that there were two guards there, okay. Uh ...... believe in the back, farther behind back from that booth is where the wall is, and that there is ...... like that wall continues, and then there's something goes back like that. Hallway in on the left, on the left side ..... ah ..... on the right side is ..... a straight up ..... okay .... straight up staircasing, okay, and there's the wall like that, okay ....... and then in the background of that (scratching noise on tape) ..... on this level here, actually, I suppose it probably Comes up a little bit more than that, there is the, let me see now, if I'm down a little bit, then the perspective would be ..... there's this feeling of a..... you know, the overhang of the upper deck ...... came in, in the background here, and then the hall goes off again. So, this wall continues on up, and this wall continues on up. This wall continues on up like that, and this wall continues on up and would make a bow (phonetic) in there, and that goes back like that, and there is a .... uh .... okay, I had this feeling of ......... #14: Yeah! We're done (Somebody interrupted session debriefing) #10.5: Huh! Okay, .... okay, okay, and then down in under, and behind the stair, okay, so we end up with hall, hall. Throughout this entire thing, now, I've probably run against this target and rocollecting, maybe four or five times or better in:~this project... I have never been in this end of the building. I have always been in the right end everytime I've ever been down there. I don't know if I cah't go down there or if there's just nothing of interest. #14: Aha. #10.5: Windows across the back of the upper deck like that. Okay? And, then here, this is what I referred to as the lounge area upper deck, and this is a Curved balcony overlooking lobby-central downstairs room ..... front entrance is out of the foreground of the picture. I suppose if I did that ..... okay, this damn box thing, I swear it's there. It's some sort of a booth or something there which be ..... uh ...... I forgot to put my microphone on, I apologize. I'm going to turn the..uh..turn the tape recorder down. You'll be able to hear me regularly now whoever is typing this or whatever. 4 Approved For Release 2000/OPAQP--- MOW-P-MMU0788RO01 000240001-5 ~%j fN7L~ Approved For Release 2000/-"-,.Q EI&FINk -0 88R001000240001-5 #10.5: Umm..and, there's some sort of a rear door out of the box. I saw a guy walk out of there. Okay? The damn thing's been there. It's always been there, and I don't know if it's just some BS that I'm carrying with me through this project. Okay? That's sketch one. Oh! I'm sorry. Then there's a hall goes -that way, and then there's a hall, okay. #14: Could you give me some type of overhead type sketch locating the roams where You found these...uh ... the hostages? #10.5: Okay. Okay. On sketch two I will draw -the right side of 0' D sketch one ......... It's on the left here is the lobby, and d (b it's the upstairs loungeq okay. And, then, like back tucked 1 :eked back up like this-the booth..okay, and the table, okay. I I think the wing is only five long.... I didn't get across t the hall, so I don't know. So I go to those in...dotted lin okay ... uh ... Ahern. There's some sort of a box here, and tie is alone in bed. No one else, this is a ... like a booth. I think this might be like a schrank ....... #14: Closet. #10.5: Closet or a..uh..maybe a oilet pe tiling, and the door is t oile: hCe opne like here. Okay? Uh... th one down, I went down, I felt the bed was on the left side. I did riot .... I didn't have a feeling for booth, but then I could see him directly. Maybe there is a booth there. So, I'll dot that in. Okay? And, this is the guy that I will identify later, where the X is. Okay? Now, in the third room to the left, when I started, I started at Ahern, and I went, one and left one more. I had... I didn't get any room layout, but I had the pictures of the guy that looked like Abraham Lincoln, and the ... a guy that looks like a guy I know. Okay? So, it's two Xs. I'll call that X-one and in this room, there's X-two and X-threc. All right. And, I did not get a layout, feeling. But, I felt that, I felt that Ahern and this other guy who ...... the name Bob came to mind.... (mumbling) session Bob was .... they wore alone, arid then when I got into the next room down I had two feelings. Okay? #10.5: Pillar, pillar, and this is ...... upstairs lounge. Is that what you need? Now, okay. I had the feeling that the guard which in sketch one is leaning o v--r the rail BS'ing, was in reality a walker ..... okay? ...... The attitude there was much more relaxed, and the guard I . down the hall, and he just, JAnhad thif automatic wea Like this. Un...FAN orCAL.~ I forget bronym is. Just sort of like drape I shoulder ... arid, he was just plodding along. You know. He wassn't at port arms ...... always on the alert. You still got half a tape left here. Okay for two. 5 Approved For Release 2000 00788 ROO 1000240001 -5 loc. Q I X L-.--T- Approved For Release 2000/02Q VGQ4=,7,-;r88ROO1000240001-5 %.--, L. %J I N L. 1 #10.5: Now, the downstairs ... In sketch two I've drawn the up- stairs hall. Okay? And, on the upper part of sketch two let me draw the downstairG hall. If you want me to. It's just the mirror image, it's just a repeat of that. Except that in the downstairs hall there was only one guard as well. Arid he was like standing down at the far end of the hall, which I thought was a very dumb position. Because granted they could get anybody in a cross fire that broke out of that room, but they would waste each other in the process, because they'd have, they'd be shooting at each other. #14: Okay, but did you have a feeling there were hostages down- stairs? #10.5: Well, no, I didn't have the real f-, I didn't see or feel any hostages down there. #14: Okay. #10.5: Okay. I didn't ... I ... by that time, by the time I got down- stairs I was looking only for guards though. Okay. #14: Okay. I think that's good enough. n e other thin or n0 #10.5: Okay, an e other thing about it is- for no the eng thi ant cha~ngesI t 9 1 felt debrie ng- is I felt three significant chang s, I hink. f0 The... he hostage density did not appear to be as extens' or as h level as my earlier sessions in this place. h1qh 1 v~e my ea Earlier s 9, -- f4e-l-in t two r s~ j that~~t-hcy were-ffaG1_W_ to a room, and that all rooms in at least the right wing were occupied. But here there was like one, and- one to a room and didn't appeax__LaJ- _4 ~,e .. hostage population. T~~, er significant change is the guarding has become-MC.7do relaxed, possibly because of a lower density of hos- V (~togres. But the guarding activitior .,;, r _,juh, ---instead of .tzb-1as -whe-r-e-6-0_57717 n fortify themselves and-r?Ne Uclear fields of firc-down a hall. thev now have fewer Guards- and the gG-ards,__d_onie of -Me-Injust walk -G-pan-a-down th-e-halls. Which makes them more vulnerable. Okay. But they've relaxed. That makes the guards more individually vulnerable. But they themselves have relaxed.... Huh, we gonna say three things. I think the third one that I would want to say is that every time again that I've worked against this building, or end . ding,' bu 1' din g' e in tere I really have not been interested i the left wing. kay? And I'll ... one more g, u downstairs ... leaning. 11G at Okay. I'll write t, 0 IVIS at the LWAi,&v Two guards. The 0 guard or) the right 8vv--n-TZ7d`1`a`che too. Uh ... That's about it... Okay. What do we got now? Pictures? #14: Um, I've got an overhead picture of the compound. #10.5: You want me to look aL that? Approved fW. Releadle-M 110OD240001+&L do you have a here you were? 'X Approved For Release 2000/081k"~ [;:r. --"-r~~r9788 ROO 1000240001 -5 #10.5: Well, yeah ... Well, I'll tell you, what I will say- #14: Maybe this is- Alij;~K #10.5. -is it's the- #14: confusion. #10.5: Well, it's the ... I, it's the one wh hn.whe you walk out this door you walk through a thing in t s. And you walk wo way- you walk down through the woods. can identify it in another session. I can correl - th se sessions for you. But I'd have to say it's buildin "A" Okay. Right off the top of my head the configura .' and the nearness of woods leading to what I would expect to be a gate, is "A", the Embassy. Okay. But now that I am looking at that build- ing in this manner, and that from the, from the wooded side looking at the Embassy, the right side is the right wing n where the hostages are. On the second level. At least on the second level. Now there is some confusion in my mind as as to whether I'm warehouse or Embassy. I'll state that. 46;th ay. But I lo n.4, I feei-m-ar-M-0.. ell, I, you know, you've never, I do not know where I was before. So this is probably not the right thing for us to do. #14: Right. #10.5: Because I've never been told where I was before, so there- fore- #14: 1 just wanted, I just ing. #10.5: Yeah. Yeah, well the this long, elongated was the first place I graph. wanted you to get a spontaneous feel- spontaneous feeling is automati Xally :)uilding with the square in it. That looked at when you showed me the photo- #14: Good. And, uh, at this time I would like you to look through the photographs- #10.5: Is there anything in here that you don't want me to see? #14: Hostage personnel- #10.5: Okay, then I'll just- #14: -to see if we can identify some. Okay, we're ready to con- tinue. #10.5: Okay. S o, me fro at's-his-name's place, Ahern's 0' mo T n building, - rn' ;~O~M.,Pm sorry. Moving to the room to f g ~q the lef , uh s the guy that I said had white hair with e~ s t the w" ow' peak. lie was sitting up in bed. Okay. Uh, and 7 Ff7k Approved For Release 200001HO7 :--.'.-0788ROO1000240001-5 lwzo ~ ~.%j i % L.~ I Approved For Release 2000/O8V7 88ROO1000240001-5 N #10.5: he had glasses in my identification process, here- as ~o and his name as Bo In my identification process here I t,2 lis In overlooked w ~ I iis'name? Blucker. 'Cause he wasn't wearing glasses, I think, is~MUTTMTM why I didn't identify him on the way through the first couple times. Um...I believe that they guy next to Ahern on the left is Blucker And I believe he wears glasses, and that like they might be reading glasses that he just wears, and so that's why they're not shown on the photograph. Uh, okay, that's that. The other, at was the guy's name? I had pulled out C~fD #14: Right ? qm~ #10.5: Morefielq because he has the, essentially the same physical configurations, and lie has a widow's peak, and he was wear- ing olasses. But his hair is dark, and he appears to me to be a younger man. Even though he has a full face, he appear a Younger man. And he just did not fit. And as #14 can say, I went back through and through and through the damn pictures, you know, lookin' for the right guy. Okay. Um, moving to the left one more room where ''X2" and "XY is on sketch 2, uh, the spontaneous images were those I've picked out here. The guy that looks like Abraham Lincoln is Gary E. Lee. Okay? Always Dull him out. There's no way to mistake that. And Subic , who reminds me of a former close friend of mine. Okay. So I always manage to pull that out. I feel real firm about those. And this guy here, John Earl Graves, is there somewhere. And the reason he's there somewhere is that when I was working between the room with Blucker, and the roon) with, um, Subic and Lee, okay, I got, I got this, I was working, trying to resolve who the guy was in there, and the fl t ima was the nose. That nose. You see that nos on raves? #14: Mm-hmm. #10.5: It's inflamed and red, sort of bulbous. So, the- what I'm saying is the, that Graves is in there somewhere. Now he might be in the room with Subic. Okay? Or he might not be. But the bulbous nose and the full beard, there may be some overlap between the Graves and the Lee. One of the two of 'em arc, there and the other one mdght be next door. #14: Okay. #10.5: It's that bulbous nose. And 1 know what it's like to have that, Scause, uh ... it doesn't mean the guy's an alcoholic or anything, but it's a viral skin infection. And my fattier had it. #14: Okay. Is there anything else, uh, you can think of for debrief. Approved For Release 2 Q Q 88R001000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000/q 0788ROO1000240001-5 #10.5: Um, the only thing I'd like to add is that even the outside in earlier session, outside in the woods I had said that there were, in the lobby, two or three people watching eager- LOO*01"Y' out the front windows ... of the place7 he main place. And.. side, stepped out in the woods that there were or wo guards. These, these feelings and these JC;4;ys ~did i not come through 'this time. There was nobody lurking around outside as they had earlier. That's all I have to add. #14: Okay. End of session. 9 n J7 JIN AW.11,11 CW_"j"_ Approved For Release 2C: "1=W111N -V a 00788ROO1000240001-5 Approved For Release 20OG/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 - TAB I Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 Approved For I "I Waft I "*O*,jP%e " tc, W w Pw -~M. , .= 10#1 Ir- 4w- Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000q40001-5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 % .0- ~ % VOW jL Approved For Release 2000/08/07 CIA-RDP96-00788RoOlOdO240001-5 Approved For Release 2qW-MM j-'%1 -00788ROO1000240001-5 %:;~w I '% TARGET CUING INFORMATION Aw REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-65 1. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer has been exposed to open source news media information as well as classified overhead imagery and numerous photographs of hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against the hostage situation in Iran. % 2. (S/NOFORN) At the time of the session the remote viewer was shown the attached photograph and was asked to find Thomas Ahern. He was asked to identify Ahern's location, describe any other U.S. hostage personnel, and to describe physical security at this location. -WW, Approved For Release *QVMT."=1-f L)P-CIE-00788ROO1000240001-5 NOT RF1-EASABL77b4L1RtfGN 4WIIbNALS' ORCON SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5 Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1000240001-5