Approved For Release 200010810&:, DP96-00788RO01 600290001-4 IAGPA-F-SD 21 March 1983 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-999/8303/01 (U) SG1A SG1A 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3). -7 3 Incl FREDERICK H. ATWATER as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH DTG: 051630ZJUL78 DECL: Originating Agency's Determination Required TT.0-T rmi La!.ULZL 11i Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1600290001-4 SG1C Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1600290001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1600290001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/00:., 496-00788ROO1600290001-4 TRANSCRIPT #66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 16 March 1983. Concentrate now,, concentrate and focus your attention on the area in the photograph I've shown you. Focus on this area today 16 March 1983 and describe the interior of this area to me. #01: ..... See a ..framework of heavy pipe, flat surface at a slight angle. See a .... section of metal floor that's about a foot high ............. See a..pivot of some kind. It's like a heavy white "U" shaped claw looking thing. It's up and down and side to side .... It's got a wire or a rod across the width of the "U". It's either a thick wire or a rod. #66: Describe the area surrounding this. #01 .....See a framework of tubes ... molded together in a pattern,..aluminum or an alloy. #66: Are you in one part of the targeted area or is this comprising the total target area? #01: It's the wall, the whole exterior wall ..... See wires running up and down-Appears to be a..how it is a..real fine wires running from the ceiling to floor. And the "U" shape is behind that. #66: Describe the temperature of this area. #01: ........ Feeling of very normal temperature,, maybe a little cooler than normal. But I get an impression of extreme cold inside the pipes, these alloy things ... One minute I get an impression of very fine wires, vertical ceiling to floor and then I get an impression of the wires being inside the alloy pipe. #66: Describe the ambient odor in this area. #01: ****** Smells like a.. some kind of fruit, fruity smell ... strawberry type smell. #66: Again, looking at the total target area, is it sectioned off in some way or is it open on the inside? #01: The only section is the floor is raised. #66: Tell me about this. Approved For FWpM% 000/0~/08 CIA'-RDP96-00788ROO1600290001-4 _U -77W C- nu rT Approved For Release 2000/06tW_,,,VC1A1RL)P96 -00788 ROO 1600290001-4 #01: Metal plate and then there's a rectangular section of floor to the rear and -it's raised even higher. That supports the "U" shape arm...Just a minute .... Everything is constructed of a framework with this alloy, light like aluminum but it's not. I want to call it plastic but it's not ... It's like a non-conducting alloy of some kind ......... #66: Are you alone in this area? #01: *******' Yes I'm alone. It's a hazardous area to be in. #66: Your focus in now in 16 March 83. Is this an area of normal human occupation? Do people work here? #01: No. It's automated. The only thing that moves is the arm. #66: If I wanted to go into the area to service the arm, how would I get into this area? #01: Just a minute ....... There's a back a, there's a back wall that's a..a...net kind of grid built on it. It's like a screen and there's a section that opens. It's a door,, but it's also part of the grid. It goes to an inside room. Inside room's got a..rows of identical electronic gadgets, like small a, amplifiers or something,, single dial. They're all identical, they're all small. #66: Okay. Go back into the target area now and describe the area beneath the raised floor. #01: ....... Square block, lucite plastic type things fastened to the arms of the..tubes running to the floor. Stainless connectors and wires going off in different directions. #66: Describe types of wires. #01: Heavily shielded,..half inch across, black..size, size is critical for some reason. Get impression that they all go to the same place, but there's some longer. I mean they're all the same size, but they're, ..some are too long for the distance. Some ..some just make it. #66: Do they all go to the same place, describe this place. #01: inside the screened room where the boxes are. 2 Approved For Release 2000("iW1Qm ~~DP96-00788ROOI 600290001-4 0/ ~! r7 ri Approved For Release 200 VCK%~P~ -t)07 88 ROO 1600290001 -4 #66: In the target area? #01: ..Go through a,..go through a duct or something underneath the, it's an oblong squared hole underneath the support stand section of floor, like in the rear. Just all jammed through the duct. #66: What's through the duct? #01: ... Ah ... through a ...a grid. They're all like connected to the back of a grid and there's wiring trees or wiring harnesses off the front of the grid, like all of these standing, standing stacks of a..of boxes with dials. They go to another wiring harness, they go down through the floor. All come together in bunches, like spaghetti, banded and everything. #66: Numbered? #01: Wait just a minute ..... Seventy, seventy-five, there's more than that going into the, from this seventy-five going through the floor, perhaps double that coming into the room. Like a half of a circus tent built inside the square box, half a round tent ..... The only thing that moves is the arm. #66: Okay. Focusing now on 16 March 1983, describe the status of operations in this area. #01: ....... Just that impression of a..intermittent operation ... I think that it's operational, but not completely tasked yet. LIke it's only a...doing part of what it's supposed to do, simply because it hasn't gotten the rest of.the organization of mission. #66: Okay. #01: Parts of it are only active at certain times. #66: Raw data. #01: a .... Get impression that it only activates when it's gotten a remote command from somewhere else. But it's not, it doesn't interact, it's a..passive, it doesn't, you know there is not a two way communication ... Commands come from two directions, three counting the building. #66: Break that out. Approved For Release 20007V" .,%.~l,,--M6-00788ROO1600290001-4 Approved For Release 2000/08/voev&jr*&,~,,~ M-Ur,-?ZVW-T6788R001 600290001-4 , 1-11, 1 #01: 1 get a vertical triangle ... Upper part of the triangle is either airborne or satellite and the bottom part of the triangle is building location and some other earth surface location ... Then I get a series of..multiple vertical triangles. So it's an impression of more than one type command at work. This thing doesn't react, it's passive. Reacts mission wise, but it's still passive. #66: Focusing on the target area, describe the security of the target area. #01: ... Don't see any special alarms or anything, on the outside area. Door on the inside area is alarmed. on the way to it is the inside door ... That's all the security I see. #66: In reference to previous explorations of this building, is divided into three sections, which one of those section is vested with security responsibility for the target area? #01: .... The middle section is in charge of security, but the roof portion belongs to the third section, the top section. It's difficult .... get an impression the third section owns more of the end of the building now than it did, even parts of the second section, towards the end. Ground floor section has nothing to do with it, security or otherwise. #66: Focusing now solely on the target area, explore the target area without interruption from me. Explore and remember that you might draw the target area in detail. #01: ................................. Okay. #66: All right. Now I'd like you to prepare to draw the perceptions you've had of the target area this morning. Approved For Release 2000/08/08... 6-00788ROO1600290001-4 Approved For Release 20 96-00788RO01 600290001-4 DRAWING EXPLANATION #01: Page #1 is a cut away representation of the area I targeted, with the raised floor shown and the platform shown and the back grid wall and location of the entry door. That's all I showed here for simplicity. #01: Page #2. The outside edge of the flooring supporting the non conducting tubes, what I call grid 1 and the grid 2, which are fine wires. And directions to go to other pages for those. #01: Page #3 which is a detailed drawing of the tubes and how they're connected to the floor and the cables would come off of them. #01: Page #4, a detailed drawing of the fine wire grid and how those are connected to the floor and the wires coming off them. #01: Page #5 is the claw of the arm that rotates side to side and up and down, but has limited movement. And it's totally passive. It doesn't emit anything. #01: And Page #6 is where all the cables come through a conduit under the platform into the electronic wall type connector and then two wiring harnesses, one going into the stacks of electronic boxes that are alike and then the wiring harness going out through a hole in the floor. #66: Do the stacks electronic boxes, is this in the targeted area? #01: No, that's in the next room. #66: In the connecting room, Okay. The targeted area now and then it's up here. #01: Yea. #66: Now, you said this was a hazardous area. #01: 1 felt like this was a hazardous area for some reason. Why I don't know. #66: You're not finding people in there sitting at desks, working or anything. 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NAME OF SUBJECT Olt TITLE Of INCIDENT -T-2. DATE SUBMITTED S G 1 A ~3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER CL-999/8303/01 REPORT Of FINDINGS GlAon 16 March 19 _-1.1.was interviewed SG1A was an open area with a ra-T-Tea floor approximately one foot high. The raised floor was made with a metal grid or "metal plate." On the outside edge of the raised floor was a "grid" of non-conducting tubes which may contain wires inside (drawings 2 & 3). These tubes extended below the floor into plastic blocks with stainless connectors attached to shielded cables. To the rear of the raised floor was a platform. On the platform was a heavy rod or wire held by a "U" shaped device that rotated side to side and up and down (drawing 5). Surrounding the platform was a "framework of tubes molded together in a pattern." Source described these tubes as being an "alloy, light like aluminum but ... non-conducting." Source could not further identify or draw this framework. This area was further surrounded by fine wires running from the ceiling to the raised floor. These fine wires were in a semi-circular configuration "like a half of a circus tent" (drawings 2 & 4). The fine wires were connected to shielded cables under the raised floor. Source indicated the possibility of extreme cold inside the tubes or pipes he described,, but was unable to provide any information as to which tubes or pipes may have had this extreme cold inside. The open area was connected to an "inside room" through a door in a back wall. The wall also contained a grid (drawings 1 & 6). in the "inside room" there were "rows of identical WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED. NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS CLASSIFIED BY MSG, DAMI-ISH DTG: 051630ZJUL78 DECL: Originating Agency's Determination Required (continued) NAME AND ORGANIZATION Of SPECIAL AGENT 6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL SG1A FORM REPLAM WD AGO FORM 341, 1 JUN 47, WHK14 MAY BE USED, *U.S. Qovtrnment Pantinj offlce~ 19112-341 -044/82241 1 AM 32 341 Approved For Release 200010bib8i: I'A'-RDP96-00788 ROO 1600290001-4 D Approved For Releare,2000/08108-:CIA!"R P96-OO78&ftO16OO29OOO1-4 F or use of th is form, see F M 30 17 (C); A R 381 -20; th o proponan t agen cy 1 s the OR ce a f th o As si stunt Ch I of of Staff for Intial I I gone*. I. NAME Of SUBJECT OR VILE Of INCIDENT 2. DATE SUBMITTED SG1A 3. CONTROL SYMBOL 00 FILE NUMBER CL-999/8303/01 electronic devices' which Source described as being similar to small amplifiers; these devices each had a single dial and were all identical. The devices (not further identified) were connected to the adjacent open area via one-half inch diameter heavily shielded black cables. Source stated that 150 or more of these cables ran from the "inside room" to the open area and 75 or more cables also ran from the "inside room" through the floor to the upper section of the main building. Source described the newly constructed area as "automated", "unoccupied", and as a "hazardous area to be in." Source was unable to say why he thought this was a hazardous area. When questioned concerning the status of operations in the newly constructed area on 16 March 1983, Source reported intermittent operational activity, as the capabilities of the new area had not been completely tasked yet. Source reported that the operation of the area was activated by remote command. Source stated that these commands came from three directions, airborne or satellite (riot further identified), and some other earth surface location (not further identified) and the main building (drawing 7). 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