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  MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
  10 December 1985
  SUBJECT: Conversation via Telephone with Puthoff
  1. The following is a eneral summary of a conversation between
  SG1J Hal Puthoff and 1100 hours, 1.0 December 1985,
  concerning a news reporter-Is conversation and attempted
  elicitation of information from Russel Targ, on or about 9
  December 1985:
  Carol Murphy, of the Washinqton Post, workinq on behalf of
  (FNU) Babcock, an invj_Ft_!7qM_v_e i-6 5i&iter affiliated with the
  Post for 10 years, contacted Targ, requesting information
  ahout GRILL FLAME at SRI-I, which was known by her to have
  been in effect for 15 years. Targ confirmed the program,
  declined to talk further about it, but did concede it was
  still in operation.
  Murphy was aware that Targ & Puthoff had left the program, &
  wanted to know who was running it. Targ said Ed May. was.
  Murphy stated she was particularly into-rested in the "Ft.
  Meade Program," the one Gen. Stubblebine had overseen, had
  "taken over after Watt had left and Jachim took over,"
  sometime "after the program emphasis shifted from Vorona at
  DIA to Army." She believed it was a "big activity" at Ft.
  Meade, in cooperation with Walter Reed, and involved
  training people at Monroe Institute of Applied Sciences just
  like SRI is training people at Pt. Meade. She mentioned
  that Stubblebine was an "ally" who had taken over to help
  "get around the Perry memorandum," in helping the program to
  continue.
  She wanted to know why the program was classified. Targ
  declined to say. was it because "they" were "afraid of the
  Golden Fleece?" she wanted to know. Targ said yes.
  PLIthoff stated that Targ had told him that Murphy had not
  mentioned any other project-connected names other than those
  listed above, and that Puthoff had in fact directly asked if
  any other names were mentioned, whether of viewers or
  project officers, and used as an example
  name. Tar(7 responded in the negative.
  SG1J
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  The balance of the information disclosed by Murphy was
  apparently extracted from previous Jack Anderson articles.
  She wanted to know who the viewer was that was involved in
  the Backfire bomber incident, and apparently knew of the
  "Peanuts" briefing. Targ reportedly provided no further
  information.
  When asked the' purpose of her information search, Murphy
  responded that it was for an article Babcock was writing,
  intended to be released around the "beginning of next week"
  (15 thru 21 Dec 85).
  Puthoff was queried as to whether Targ had mentioned
  specific contracts or contract funding amounts provided by
  the reporter. He responded that Targ had not mentioned
  anything, but that he had not asked that specific question,
  either. Puthoff further stated that he suspected the
  information could only have been obtained from some East
  Coast source, as some of the new information was not known
  by anyone on the West Coast.
  2. Puthoff was to attempt to obtain more information at the
  SRI-I offices during the day, and would contact or would be
  contacted by this office later on 10 December 1985.
  "94 '19V
  WILLIAM G. RAY lrl~l
  MAJ, MI
  Ch, SSPD
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