Approved For Release Mulutsipts, RDP96-00788RO01 900130001-8 W ~ia IAGPA-F-SD 20 April 1983 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1005/8305/01 (U) 1. (SINOFORN) On 130900 April 1983, source #01 was interviewed by #66 in an attempt to determine the location of a specific item during the time window 15 - 18 April 1983. source was questioned concerning an area designated by the project 8305 sponsor as being a suspected location for the specific item. The project 8305 sponsor had provided the name of the suspected location and the nomenclature of the specific item (see Incl 1). (Q C.A---S I MOVOILL3) 2ft48/N6F0RNj For this interview source was provided a sealed envelope containing the name of the suspected location and the nomenclature of the item in question. Source was asked to focus his attention on the location designated in the sealed envelope and describe the area as of the time window of 15 - 18 April 1983. Source was not told the name of the designated location, the nomenclature of the specific item, or given any other identifying data. The collection plan called for the use of this information as "feedback" and cuing material for possible subsequent interviews. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor. This report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3). 3 Incl -FAEDERICK H. ATWATER as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH DTG: 051630ZJUL78 DECL: Originating Agency's Determination Required Approved For Release 2000/08/.08-.. 161 ODP96-00788RO01 900130001-8 NOT -~'~-,-~ILISABLE TO FOIiZIGN NATIOXALS Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 ~-CAOVI LJ Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1909130001-8 Approved For Release 200 h. TDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 TRANSCRIPT #66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 13 April 1983. Concentrate now, concentrate and focus this concentration, this awareness on the location designated in the sealed envelope I've provided. Move now this awareness, this focus, move your awareness to a location, move through space and time to the location, 15 through 18 April, 15 through 18 April, awareness only of this area and this time. Describe your perceptions to me. #01: 1 got a compound ... it's a fenced compound .... emblem** 'impression of a... wide, flat roof building. It's very long. inside another fence .... Fences are concertina wire rolled out ..... See rows of, looks like, heavy tanks parked in rows. #66: Stop. Describe to me your relative position as you perceive this area. #01: 1 just came through a gate. And it's on my left this parking lot. It's like a fence inside a fence, inside a compound. #66: Go on. #01: Get an impression of lots of canvas and wood framings, it's more of a semipermanent type thing. #66: Tell me more about the tanks. #01: Ah..these..very big..parked in rows, got a ... turrets look like large shells ... of turtles, narrow nose on turret, very flat thick area in the back. It's like a ... some kind of grid or grill on top of the back. There's a big gun .... hmm... just a minute. #66: 1 will wait. #01: There's some kind of tube, an encasement type of ~Ln,g down the side..all fastened in the same place ... got a .... double hatch, one center forward and..one rear right. Inside's cut up into three compartments .... Just a minute ............ Get a perception of some kind of detachable travel fuel tank..for longer range. These are covered with a ... these tanks are covered with some kind of..okra colored dust, but they're a--new CENTa4A[For Release 2000/09108,.k! QJA'4~~OP96-00788 ROO 1900130001-8 Approved For Release nfr%01.00" IA-RDP96-00788 ROO 1900130001 -8 #66: Excuse me-- #01: --- new. #66: You talk about a tank for long distance, and yet you're talking about a vehicle called a tank, I don't understand. #01: Fuel tank. #66: All right. Is the fuel tank new or is the vehicle new? #01: Hmm it's all new. #66: Obtain compound perspective as opposed to a singular tank perspective and tell me when you're ready. #01: Okay, just a minute ...... Okay. #66: All right. Now, the number of tanks is perceptible. #01: Just a minute ...... Fours rows of 18 ...... very neat rows-it's spaced between first 9 and the second 9. #66: Differences or similarities are perceptible. #01: All"cutsouts", they're all the same. Look like a..ducks in a row. Just don't see any difference. #66: 1 understand. Now, time is perceptible. #01: Sun's at a..17 April. Everything's reddish color,, the sun's very low, to the west. #66: All right. Prepare yourself now for movement within this area. #01: Okay. #66: Up 50 feet, up 100 feet,, up 200 feet, 500 feet, 1,000, look down and describe. #01: Compound is an odd shape, nestled in some scrubby hills. Everything seems to be red oak or scrub brush, minimal trees, almost a desert type feeling, more gravel, hard pack. Feel like I'm..some ... feel like I'm somewhere east, northeast of a border area. 01'E~)Jff" r+AM,,WEir Release 2000/08/08 :C IA-RDP96-00788 ROO 1900130001 -8 AFL, Approved For Release 20VVr"!J;t111X- 17-RDP96-00788ROO1 900130001-8 #66: All right. centering the compound below you, centering the compound, describe oblique view around the compass. #01: North, green hills..south, mountains, snow is still melting in the mountains. West ... major cities, distance, a .... hard to tell. #66: 1 understand from your oblique perspectiver east? #01: East, ... northeast is a city. North, northeast is a city. Your closer than the one in the west. #66: All right. Describe the compound from this altitude. #01: Irregular outline, tank park in the side. a...see tent area, I think, look like tents. See a-- #66: Stop. Move to compound area on the ground. #01: Okay. #66: Relax, now. Relax and absorb and become one with your awareness. Concentrate now, concentrate and free yourself. Close down your perceptions of the target, on 17 April, 17 April, now goes away as your perceptions close down. Move now, move to 25 April, 25 April and as you once again become aware of the compound on 25 April, describe it to me. #01: The only difference is that the tanks are rearranged, some missing. #66: Say again. #01: Some are missing. #66: Inventory. #01: Two first rows a-front left 9 are gone. 18 ~i-tbem are gone. Seems to be more crowded now inside the compound. #66: Raw data? #01: Just feels fuller. Some kind of screen has been erected on the outside, can't tell if it's wood or cloth. I think it's cloth. It's like to block the view..It's around the tank area and it's around the front right area, kind of a mechanic's area. Release 2000/08/0 Ppt 83',,Q*-RDP96-00788 ROO 1900130001-8 N 'Ism 2, Approved For Release 2noWsman RDP96-00788RO01 900130001-8 C"IL LUT , #66: All right. Prepare for movement exercise. #01: Okay. 6 6 Time, 25 April 1983, place, present location of tanks that were moved..25 April. #01: All over I see some along side of road .... see some by a hill .... #66: All right,, I understand your perspective, and I don't wish to pursue my question further because I understand what you're telling me. Return to compound location, 25 April. #01: Okay. 6 6 1 have no further questions. But I would like to allow you now that you're in the time window of 25 April, to describe on your own without the confines of my questions. #01: ..... I'm going to tell you that I'm still getting the overlay of the man in the room who dies, very strong. #66: Describe this man to me. #01: Dark, dark hair, speckled with gray or sandy color, very heavy mustacher mid, late forties, high cheekbones, heavy eyebrows. Getting a feeling of older someway, maybe his mental state. #66: His height and weight? #01: ..51 6",ah ... 160-155 - medium to light build,, dark skin. #66: Distinguishing scars or marks? #01: ... I don't get any, so I don't, ..have trouble with that. #66: All right. #01: ..Nervous, nervous condition in left eye, left eye, something with left eye. #66: Describe the surroundings as you describe this man, describe the surroundings. 4 r or Release 2000/08108- Cl=gP96-00788R001900130001-8 p 11 C E M Approved For Release 2000/0068, 0 =-'P96-00788 ROO 1900130001 -8 #01: His with a .... six others in a room, fairly large. #66: Describe sound in area. #01: Just hear a rumbling noise, a grinding noice. #66: Activities of individuals in room. #01: Just standing by him, he's laying down. I just get this overwhelming sense of danger and.. #66: Date time is perceptible. #01: .... It's 23, 21 April, somewhere in therer 21 April. #66: Conversation in room is perceptible. #01: 1 don't get any. People just watching. #66: Move sideways in time to conversation point. #01: Ah. it's a feeling of politics discussed. Then an argument,ah ... anger, all politic. #66: Language? #01: ... Arabic, some form of Arabic. #66: Break this out. #01: ..Not, not completely Arabic, it's a..got a guttural, like Slavic, Arabic combined. I don't know. #66: All right. I have no further questions. But before returning your perceptions to present time and my voice, before returning your perceptions, I would like you once again scan the compound and the tanks, so you might render a drawing for me. #01: Just a minute. #66: 1 will wait. Take as much time as you need. #01: Okay. #66: All right. C[HT[R JpA*d For Release 2 00/ 108/08 C1.4RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 Approved For Release 3996-14 -9-1861-ARDP96-00788RO01 900130001-8 DRAWING EXPLANATION #01: Page #1 is a representation of my perceptions of this very large and very heavy tank, as best as I can draw it. It's missing a lot of the details simply because I just don't know how to do that, you know. There's so much there. I wrote important notes down about it. The point is, this thing is very large and very heavy, the turret is really massive, you know, it's like almost an over kill on turret. #01: Page #2 is an outline of the compound area and with a dotted line around the sections of tanks that dissappeared from the compound by 25 April. And I put all the arrows showing different directions to cities and whatnot. And that's essentially it. For Relea se 20UU7U8/08 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 LO*if Vol Y AA r A447-. m4me AID r A AW *,*D. 7V A P C-VW AF A #e IXAI#t #40 Its ILL, Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 r% 00 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 eas Net- 'DOO tA gjOu4f* ~0. Vol 100 01000 w colf F)O" 0 CAfj Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900130001-8 Approved For Relealsme 20 DP96-00788RO01 900130001-8 For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the Proponent agency is the office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Inirelligance. 1. NAME Of SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT SG1A 3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER `L-1005/8305/01 A. KPORY OF P04DINGS on 13 April 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed in an attempt to determine the location of a specific item during the period 15 through 18 April 1983. Source was questioned concerning a designated area suspected of being the location of the specific item. Source stated substantially as follows: The designated area, which Source described in a drawing (see drawing 2), was an odd shaped fenced compound near a city. Of interest in the compound was an interior fenced area containing new heavy tanks, which Source described in a drawing (see drawing 1), parked in rows. There may have been as many as 72 tanks parked here as of 17 April 1983. All of these tanks appeared to be the same to Source. As of 25 April 1983, the tanks were rearranged and some were missing. The missing tanks, perhaps as many as 18, had been sent to various locations (not further identified). At the end of the interview Source volunteered the following information (previously mentioned in report CL-1003/8305/01) which may or may not be relevant to the specific item in question or the designated area targeted in this interview: In. a fairly large room (not further identified) was a man. Source described this Elan as follows: 5' 6" tall 155-160 pounds Medium to light build Dark hair, speckled with Very heavy mustache High cheekbones Heavy eyebrows 40-50 years old condition gray or sandy color Nervous in left eye WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH DTG: 051630ZJUL78 DECL: Originating Agency's Determination Required (continued) S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL 6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT low '2A I "WES WD AGO LAN *U.S. Gov*rnment Printing Offla -"'.64./6229 'Wr&'TcFFor e1easeF2bdb-/b15iW---1d-x-R Y96-00788 ROO 1900130001 -08"." Ask Approved For Releft% 20'0040i-4&7 t'A-RDP96-00787--RO01 900130001-8 For use of this form, see FM 30-1 7(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency is the Offi ce, of the Assi stunt Chief of Staff for Intelligence. 1. NAMA Of SMICT OR TrFLE OF INCIDENT DAiiSUi;ZiTD SG1A 1-3, CONTROL Symbot OR FILE NUMIER CL-1005/8305/01 4. REPORT OF FINDINGS In the room were six other individuals (not further identified). A political discussion in Arabic or gutteral Slavic/Arabic developed into an argument. Source reported that the man described above dies possibly between 18 and 25 April 1983. No further amplifying information concerning the specific item in question, the designated area, or data pertaining to the man described above was obtained from Source during this interview. Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by Source. AGENT'S NOTES: Information reported by Source may be accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the specific date/time referenced. S. 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