rm%&T Approved For Release 2000/(~ZV"- -00788R001 900290002-0 IAGPA-F-SD 30 August 1983 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1033/8308/01 (U) 1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 230900 August 1983, source #01 was interviewed concerning personnel, activities, and equipment within a building unidentified to him. The project 8308 sponsor had provided geographic coordinates of the building and photograph of the building (see Incl 1) . 2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided the coordinates of the building . Other information provided by the sponsor was shown to the source after the interview as "feedback" since this interview provided the essential information required by sponsor. 3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2). 4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor . This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3). 3 Incl FREDERICK H. ATWATER as CPT, MI OPS/TNG Officer CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM DECL: OADR NOT RELFASART.iP, TO -PinPT,,TGNN)1TTONAT,5 5 IT[IrIA or Release 20,00/0 RID"=0788RO01 900290002-0 5-uc-m C. I SG1C Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900290002-0 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO1900290002-0 C cc In E7 Approved For Release 2 788ROO1900290002-0 TRANSCRIPT #66: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: #66: #01: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours 23 August 1983. Relax and concentrate now, relax, relax, relax and focus your attention in present time, SG1A Focus and describe your perceptions to me. See a large a..reflective surface, square ... metallic or glass. Your relative position of observation? ..... East looking west. Okay. Move to 100 feet directly above the site. Looking straight down, I see ~: ::p*e*r*f*e*c*t* *s*quare with a ... a enlongated design in the center. Okay. Hardened concrete. All right. 500 feet above, 500 feet above ......... I see ground patterns, ...lines, ...lots of ight turn angles, left turn angles. ...Ah-- Wait for it to clear. - ..I can't tell if they're ... thick tubes or cables,..tubes . ...... SG1A NOT RELPM: I DTE -j", )At ~j.,p z .. Z I' C721GNIIATIONA Approved For Release 20"SM-a Mram-00788ROO1900290002-0 Approved For Release Z-01 M%;0"WIfV6 i00788 ROO 1900290002-0 #66: Check your position of observation I need an overhead. #01: ......... Just looking straight down on a tall. building, . . center of the square, horseshoe "C" shapes streets are turned to the-- #66: Okay. From the building, 50 feet east? #01: ...... Round object-on the top. #66: All right. Return to building. #01: Okay. #66: Access interior of the building and describe. #01: Um, much electronics,..a lot of plates and ... wire and-grids. #66: Subdivide dollhouse on building. #01: Ah ... numerous floors,,...open section is .... see a. open bays, large ... cavernous open areas, . lot of-structural steel exposed. 6 6 All right. Take a moment to scan building without my interruptions now, focusing on personnel, equipment and activities. Take a moment now to scan the building without interruption from me, focusing on personnel, equipment and activities. Do this now. #01: ......... Got a ... flash of the space shuttle type aircraft ... standing on its tail. #66: Okay. #01: Ah--- #66: AOL break, return to the building, return to the building. #01: .... Large star pattern reflector,..very large ... a pointed ... west,..ah..racks of equipment,...wire grids, ....strong feeling of emission emitter type device, devices. #66: Break that out. Break out emitter feeling. Approved For Release 2000f~%==E6-OO788 ROO 1900290002-0 Approved For Release 2000/~& ",Of-1PP9V-00788R001900290002-0 #01: Impression of two waves,, a ... first wave very long sign wave, goes into the earth. Second wave is a...extreme high energy pin point type wave going out parallel to the ground ... from reflectorsf regenerating reflectors. See a lot of cooling ... tubes or pipes,...feeling of waterl..a lot of water. #66: All right. #01: Pumps. #66: Now focus on personnel. #01: ****** Nonmilitary, civilian,..some military, civilian clothes ah..dark, dark hair, dark skin. #66: Describe dress. #01: 20,, 80 mix. 20% white coveralls, 80% dark suits coveralls. It's like a .... color of clothing depicts a ... function, engineer, engineer verses technician. #66: Find someone that appeals to you. #01: ********Ah .... technician,..male, 35f ... he's a ... doing something with .... coolant control panel. He's monitoring pressure and flow,..super cooling-liquids . ..... 6 6 All right, find a point of observation in the building. Find a point where you can fix yourself for observation in the building. Tell me when you're ready. #01: ..... Okay. Strange area, it's a ... blocked and shielded. ...Just see the .... okay. #66: All right, I'm interested in the work schedule. Fix in space and do a 24 hour time scan. #01: Highest activity is .... 10:00 in the evening 'til ..... 7:00, 8:00 AM. That's intermittent, ..cyclic in 6 day periods. That's clearly a ... 50% or better work load . ..... See row after row of cabinets with ... minimum to maximum ... people. ... Impression of ... stacks of..siliscopic (phonetic spelling) type equipment. Approved For Release 20QEt~Q1VPP%"4"M '6700788R001 900290002-0 Approved For Release W.Y.WI-T L;Z,.I--0788ROO1900290002-0 #66: Break out siliscopic (phonetic spelling). #01: ..Many measurements of sign wave,..multiple measurement sign wave, . . square wave, . predominantly square wave. #66: Fine. Prepare for-- #01: See multichannel square wave. 6 6 Prepare for technical integration question. Describe origin of sign wave. #01: Sky. #66: More. #01: Space. #66: More. #01: Ah ...... See satellites. #66: More. #01: Net a ..... multiple like satellites net a ... ten, twelve satellites. #66: More. #01: ..... Ah ... Ah . position transmissions, Anterlocking position transmissions. #66: More. #01: ... Guidance. ...Get a sense of theft. #66: Break out theft. #01: They don't own these ... satellites. #66: Describe owners. #01: ..Ah, impression red, white, blue, America. #66: Return to building. #01: Okay. Approved For Release i%FIIWQ Q wain 096-00788 ROO 1900290002-0 .;/- T 'A 4 , ,T- Approved For Release 2000/08/08 C)~--Rb~)96-00788ROO1900290002-0 #66: Scan building for later drawing and prepare for movement exercise. I will wait. #01: ............... Okay. 6 6 Okay. Roof of the building, face west 200 yardsf describe. #01: ***' It's an impression of curved,..reflective surface. #66: Below curved reflective surface, describe. #01: ....See massive tanks,, storage tanks or something,, that (mumble). #66: All right. #01: Seems to be a ... underground structure. #66: Describe. #01: ***** See a lot of concrete in the room a ..... more equipment a .... more electronics ..... see connecter tunnels to the main building,..corridor type tunnels. #66: All right. I have no further questions concerning the area, 200 yards west of main building. I have no further questions concerning this site. However, I would like to provide you now the time to explore on your own, beyond the confines of my questions. Do this now. #01: 1 just get a strong impression of..low * a*t*t*it*u*de, . . At' s slight slant bank to the walls of the building. That's all I get. #66: All right, fine. Approved For Release -00788ROO1900290002-0 I i--l"14"'If I % L. I i - 5 "N Approved For Releaselo 6-00788R001 900290002-0 DRAWING EXPLANATION #01: Okay, the drawing is a. kind of at my idea of the representation of this target with the large reflector type device affixed to the target, this is the east, east device. I'll call it east reflector that comes out about 50 feet from the building. The building is a lot larger than I depicted it for some reason, I just drew it little. Going west there's another one of these east reflectors. It's all like going--- #66: Did you hear what just you said? #01: Yes. 6 6 You said going west there's another one of these east reflectors. #01: I'm sorry. There' s one in the west and one in the east. The one in the west is farther away than the one in the east . There' s apparently a lot of underground facility here as well, underneath this large concrete pad. There's a necessity for a great deal of cooling or least the use of coolant fluids:r ,inside the buildingp I can't draw the inside of the building unless I really go to a specific area because it is just a morass, a great mass of or mix of personnel and activity and equipment. This is rack after rack after rack of these square wave analyzing of oscilloscopic type devices and people going here and there and adjusting things, and wires everywhere and cables and it's just a mass of electronics in this place. So I can't really do that, I could probably go back in and pick out a specific area and try to put something together, but-- #66: 1 understand. #01: From this session, I can't do that. I guess that's about it. The personnel are a mix of technicians and engineers and some, you know, common labor types, but-- #66: How was it, I think you said something very curious, how was it you told the difference, what was the basic difference between--? Approved For Release 20007037UST~109 y_L=MPW"0788R001 900290002-0 elease 21M w Approved For R 0788ROO1900290002-0 #01: The basic differences that were in different colors. #66: The clothing is a different color? #01: Yeah,, the clothing is primarily different colors. There's only two types of clothing I'm seeing, I'm seeing like coveralls, zip-up coveralls and suits and they're all different colors. #66: Okay. #01: The activity is predominantly a collection, targeting type activity with electronics apparently aimed at or received from a satellite system which is made up of ten to twelve satellites in fixed orbit acting as a net . Has something to with location or targeting or something to that ef f ect . And it is a very low attitude to reflector on the horizont it's like over the horizon type stuff. The equipment is predominantly analyzing type equipment. Equipment breaking out multichannels, square wave type signals or translating square wave multichannel type signals. #66: All right. #01: Mix 'channel or spread channel, spread something, I don't know. So that's essentially it. #66: Okay, fine. 0788ROO1900290002-0 Approved For Release Approved For Release 2000/08/08 W,-RDP96-00788ROO1900290002-0 ZL Approved For Release 200Q/QA1Q4-fM4=96-OO788 ROO 1900290002-0 ~J I -0 Approved For Release 20 -007M. 001900290002 For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); A R 381-20; thfi Propon ant agency Is the of Ace of th a Assistant Chief of Staff for Intel If gone&. 1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TME Of INCIDENT 2. DATE SUAwTED 3. CONTROL SYMbOL OR FILE Nkjm$Egt SITE G A. REPORT Of FINDINGS HU-1033/8308/01 On 23 August 1983, Source HU-01 was interviewed concerning personnel, activities, and equipment within an unidentified building. Source stated substantially as follows: Inside the building there were several floors, open bays and exposed structural steel. Electronics with plates and wire grids (not further identified) and cooling tubes or pipes were also present. The building was associated in some way with a very large reflector which pointed west (not further identified). East of the building there may have been underground storage tanks (not further identified) and an underground structure with "more equipment, more electronics" (not further identified). There may have been corridor type tunnels to the main building from here. Personnel in the building were both military and civilian. Approximately 20% of the personnel wore white "coveralls" and 80% "dark suits, coveralls" (not further identified). The color of clothing determined their job, Mengineer versus technician" (riot further identified). Activity in the building involved the intercept and measurement of multichannel square wave signals (not further identified) from perhaps as many as ten to twelve US satellites in fixed orbit acting as a net (not further identif ied) . This activity involved the use of "regenerating reflectors" (not further identified) with "low horrizon WARNING NOTICE: SENSITIVE INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS CLASSIFIED BY: CDR, INSCOM DECL: OADR (continued) S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT 6. SIGNATURE OF Al -FP#6-00786k0WT9Mb06V2U C L~* 7-, lisl'114'~ "Q'Q'"jM4r -zlo Approved For Relea' 'W -00780001900290002-0 y Nur SGlC Approyed For Release 2000/08/08 W-RDP96-00788ROO1900290002-0 71 "0t Approved For Release 200010~10q--~- "qIAZP96-00788ROO1900290002-0