Approved For Release 2000/08MAM 96-00788RM8d~N0f*FR 29 April 1981 MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD SUBJECT: DOD GRILL FLAME Committee Meeting, 28-29 April 1981 (U) 1. (U) This MFR outlines the major topics discussed or covered during the 2-day DOD GRILL FLAME committee meeting hosted by INSCOM on 26-29 April 1981. 2. (C) The following personnel attended the meetings as indicated: SG1J DIA: 28-29 Apr 81 DIA: 28-29 Apr 81 Dr. Hal Puthoff, SRI-I: 28 Apr 81 SG1 I Dr. Ed May. SRI-T-. ?H Anr R1 29 Apr Bl LTC Murray Watt, INSCOM: 28-29 Apr 81 3. (C) Purpose(s) of the meeting: a. Review progress of current contract work, to include any problem areas. b. To discuss future goals and contractural efforts that might be necessary to Support the overall program. 4.. (C) I duscussed the ACSI message of 11 Feb BI which transferred overall management of the Army Grill Flame effort from OACSI to HQ9 USAINSCOM. I pointed out that ACSI still retained control over policy matters but that most matters pertaining to Army involved in project Grill Flame should come through this office andias appropriate, we would forward actions to ACSI as~needed. 5. (C) MAJ O'Keefe explained the reason behind the delay in the transfer Of Army monies (120K) in support of project Grill Flame to DIA. Basically, the Army General Council (GO has requested that the DOD General Council re-examine their position regarding the "Human Use Issue." DOD GC has stated that the program does not involve human use while the Army GC feels that it is. The ACSI has been advised by the Army GC not to transfer any funds until the issue is resolved. SGIJ ACSI has agreed and so we wait strongly objected to the Army delay and felt we (Army) were ~e ng very unreasonable in riot following the "latest orders" (i.e., initial DOD GC decision) that we had received. This point has caused considerable hard Feelings and some embarrassment and needs to be resolved rapidly. SG1J 6. (C) announced that he needed to have statement of work prepared by 1 Jun 81 in order to let contract for FY 82 beginning in Oct 82. 1 told him that therewas no way that INSCOM would be prepared to give him solid input by 1 Jun 81. 1 pointed out that INSCOM was undergoing change of command and that new commander would not be taking over until 7 May 81. 1 stated we would try and get,on his calendar soonest, but they had to appreciate the many problems facing a commander of a MACOM. CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH -.F"hrv 05163OZ Jul 78 Approved For Release 2~JjANL-Tc'iT-RDP96-00M.RO020MIII)QM18 N 0 T ra,,L V, SABLETUF OEr,, I GN VA T. I ONALS.t A,e-, _,i~ e/ Akle AX00, -00788ROO2000110001-8 Approved For Release 2000100 96 SG1J 7. (U) then ran through the briefing slides he had prepared for Thursday 30 Apr briefing to MG Thompson and Dr. Vorona, DIA. Many questions were left unanswered and when we (O'Keefe/Watt) asked for further data we were informed that a complete packet would be provided at the briefing answering SG1j all our questions. I asked that bring copies to our Wednesday meeting so that the Army action officers could review the material prior to the meeting. He assured me he would do so. (NOTE: fie didn't.) SG1 j 8. (S) On Wednesday, 29 Apr 81, presented the follo wing as his recommended program for DIA/Army consi era ion for FY 82: a. (S) DIA Program (Recommended) I10OK-intelligence assessment (review Soviet/Chinese efforts, duplicate Soviet efforts) 60K-Operational RV tasks 60K-RV countermeasures 60K-Assessment & utilization of psychotronics. SG1J b. (S) Army program (as recommended b 195K-RV reliability enhancement (training) lOOK-Data Base Management lOOK-Targeting-follow on of FY 81 program SG1J Iln"stated that SRI could train four people of any given time. That go wann left SRI in Dec 80 and has only been back once. He left because SRI had no money left to continue developing his training program.. This is one of the many "confusing" conditions.existing between SRI and DIA. In Dec BOA sked me if we could get money to continue the training program. SG1J After , refed OACSI on this request MG Thompson directed MAJ Hay and myself to study the Situation and give him a recommendation. MAJ Hay called in SG1J mid-December and was told that~ ~ could handle Swann and the training program SG1J needed no additional funds. Yet, we now find out that Swann left SRI in late Dec because the "pot ran dry." SG1J 9. (S) I then responded to recommended Army program and offered some additional plans. a. First, our total budget for FY 82 is 2DIy 159K. Hence, the proposed plan is way beyond our currently planned effort. A rough planning figure would be that a2erox 140K would be available for contracts ..... b. And, I stressed not necessarily with SRI and that I was not making any commitments of any kind at this time. c. We did agree that training was the number one priority. However, we wanted a clarification of the status of the current training program or were lye being asked to fund the continued growth of the ti~aining program which does not appear to be on track. 2 BP96-00788ROO2000110001-8 Approved For Release 20QQ~~-Rl) 1A,'ROP Approved For Release 2000/0810-8: 96-00788ROO2000110001-8 d. The targeting follow-on packet I recommended be tabled and perhaps considered for FY 83. At least, let's see.what they do with the FY 81 targeting package wihich they (SRI) haven't even begun. e. Data Base Management (DBM): We do not concur with this aspect of the program. INSCOM ASA element has looked at their proposal and has recommended against it. I did suggest that perhaps DIA/Army could help SRI put together hardware package for handling their own in-house data base. f. Recommended that some funds might be used in support of developing tracking procedures. 65K. g. Recommended that DIA/Army team make necessary field.trips to visit organizations involved in research. h. (C) 'Recommended that-physiological monitoring program be started if appropriate contractor can be uncovered. 10. (S) DIA reps clearly feel that SRI is the only organization fully accredited, properly organized, and ready to respond to DoD taskings and, therefore, it is not necessary to expand scope of work beyond SRI. If we find something of interest and needed for the program ..... fine, tell DIA and they will have SRI build a program for us (that is the prevailing attitude of~ ~s I "read him"). SG1J MURRAY B..WATT LTC, MI Project Manager 3 ~7~ 171 Approved For Release 2000/OEM, UA-.ODP96-00788ROO2000110001-8