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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
29 November 1978
SUBJECT: GRILL FLAME Meeting at DARCOM HQ (U)
1. (U) Meeting on 28 Nov 78, to discuss Army GRILL FLAME projects:
Dr Richard HALEY (DARCOM)
Mr Randy CLINTON (MIA)
Mr John A AR (AMSAA)
Mr Hugh rREMEN (Missile Laboratories)
COL Albert DeProppero (AMSAA)
COL Jack CAPPS (OACSI),
MAJ Wiliian STONER (OACSI)
MAJ "Scotty" WATTS ,
2. (S/OROON) The major issue discussed was that of insuring that
Army has a cumprehensive program, but that duplication is avoided and
scarce resources carefully spent. Ali three agencies (INSCOM, AMSAA,
and MISSILE LABS) briefed their involvement or proposed projects. It
was agreed that no-one was out of bounds and that all the programs
meshed well.
3. (U) Dr HALEY stated, aii agreed, that we shouid get ou, impressi-ns
down-ixi writing as we go a.Long. Everyonz. should keep the other felLow
informed (courtesy copy of minutes, etc).
4. (S/ORCON) AMSAA said that the need to vaiidate experiments was very
strong and are using their own people for blind judging. Twenty tests
are still out, but sftouid be jLdged soon. They have been working on
in-out bound experiments, have tried some RV from room-to-room, and will
next try cardinate-oniy experiments. It is generally agreed at AMSAA
that the Experimenter (the preferred "coach" is used s.Lnce it is Less
formidable and scientific -- thereby putting the Subject at ease) is
the absolute linchpin of any experiment.
5. (S/ORCON) INSCOM Action Officer will go to SRI for training the
second week of December. Though he desires this trip to coincide with
the AMSAA-SRI-CDEC experiments at Fort Ord, Il may not be able to do
the experiments because of previous committments.
6. (U) MIA has not current contract, but is interested in the PK
aspects of the problem. (Note: I rec6ived the distinct impressi-n that
Mr CARTER is more-or-Less-sateniting himself onto the sister organization
at Redstone, Missile Laboratories.) CLASSIVIED BY IIT_A~: D 7-
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       7. (S/ORCON) Mr Hugh GREEN, Missile Laboratories, briefed on a proposal
       his organization has worked up, to develop a piece of machinery (PK
       Switiching Device) which is felt hold excellent promise. The decLsion
       by the Labs to go with this aspect of the phenomena is a result of
       a survey of fifty different works on PSI -- only one or two of which are
       SRI-re.Lated. They feel that the average man inheriently possesses the
       a bility to affect physical objects with mental power. They strongly
       desire a piece of machinery that will demonstrate to one and all that
       that can be don-. Mental processes' effects on a noise generating
       diode will be monitored for change by a computer.
       8. (S/ORCON) Ali agreed that the tighest security was necessary for
       the protEcrion of GRILL FLAME and agreed that OACSI should develop the
       cover story.
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