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 MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE
 1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
 2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 28 November 1978.
 3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure 1.
 4. (S/ORCON) Following the introductions, Dr. Vorona provided openinT.
 comments to the group. lie cautioned the Committee to maintain a low
 profile with minimal fanfare. The sensitivity of the subject material
 requires that all participants be circumspect in any outside discussion
 of the program.
 5. (U) Following these comments, the agenda was reviewed. No additions
 or changes were recommended.
 6. (S/ORCON) The group then discussed possible names for the organiza-
 tion. It was decided that "GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE," following the title
 given to the US Army program, would be acceptable to all participants.
 7. (S/ORCON) The group then agreed to establish limited access rosters.
 Each member organization is to develop its own -roster and these will be !-~iade
 available to the other members of the Committee. Penrianent members must
 possess SI/TK clearances, although particioants of some "ad hoc" groups
 and individuals involved in research programs will only be required to
 have SECRET clearances.
 8. (S/ORCON) The GRILL FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members:
 Dr. Jack Vorona, DIA
 MG E. R. Thompson, Army ACSI
 RADM S. Shapiro, Commander, NIC
 Maj Gen J. L. Brown, Air Force ACSI
 Dr. Lowell Dailey, USDR&E Representative
 Members are responsible for insuring that research and experiments fall
 within the legal guidelines established by the DoD and the Services.
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  9. (S/ORCON) An "ad hoc" working group was established to develop Commi t-
  tee goals and objectives. Participants are as follows:
  Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
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  10. (C) Maj Stoner then addressed problems involved with the Privacy Act
  and the security of the GRILL FLAME program. Army plans to develop a-
  security agreement to preclude compromise of the program and associated
  activities. In addition, the DIA Legal Counsel will be contactdd for his
  comments.
  11. (S/ORCON) Dr. Mehuron suggested that the Committee have as one of its
  goals the identification and extent of the Soviet parapsychology programs.
  He also urged that we identify current parapsychology intelli ence collec- SG1A
  ti.on requirements, develop additional requirements and task
  It was agreed that -this should be done. Current collection requirements
  SGU will be provided at the next meeting.
  12. (S/ORCON) A discussion followed on the possibility of inviting CIA-to
  SG11 -attend the meetinqs. It was agreed that would contact
        and sugges a a CIA representative
  attend subsequent meetings.
  13. (S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation that each
  member organization maintain control over its own parapsychology research
  contracts. However, all Committee members will have cognizance of the
  total DoD contractual efforts in this area.
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  16. (S/ORCON) Mr. Graff next suggested that a cover story be developed for
  the program; Dr. Vorona suggested that the National Academy of Sciences
  might back an open program to investigate paranormal phenomena. The
  recommendation will be brought to Dr. Davis' attention.
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  15. (C) The problem of document downgrading was also brought to the floor.
  The Committee agreed that all documents originating as a result of the
  GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after 20 years.

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  17. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then urged the development of experimental
  protocol and methods for validating experiments. As a result, an "ad
  hoc" working group was established to accomplish this task. Members are
  as follows:
  Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
  Mr. John Kramar, AMSAA
  Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy
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  The working group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979.
  18. (S/ORCON) next provided a review of the SRI remote vie'wing
  experiments carried out at DIA this past summer. The results appear to
  be inconclusive, but satisfactory data interpretation keys must still be
  developed. A summary of the experiments is attached as enclosure 9.
  19. (U) The next meeting of the GRILL FLAME Committee will be 13 February
  1979.
  20. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1210 hours.
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