-?k- fT Approved For Release 20001QQ'r' - "- 10FAMMUR002100060001-3 %JL.%j i % ~T-- NOT RELEASABLE TO FOREIGN NATIONALS ORCON GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT CLASSIFIED BY: MSG, DAMI-ISH 05163OZ JUL 78 REVIEWON: 49~L 40-ee 0-101~ Approved For Release 20;1y ~--00788RO02100060001-3 Approved For Release 200WATOM- Ct". EW!T#7-00788ROO2100060001-3 %..; L... %.0 1 % L. V SUMMARY ANALYSIS REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-91 1. (5) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, DC. The purpose of the session was to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. 2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor. 3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated. 4. (5) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB Bis target cuing information provided the remote viewer. 5. (5) The remote viewer was asked -to locate an individual identified as David Roeder who is being held hostage in Iran. The viewer described what lie felt was a cell block in which eight or nine hostages of some importance were being held. The viewer felt that this area was maybe only "four long city blocks" or about three miles from the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran. Roeder appeared depressed, felt isolated and it seemed as if he had been abused by somebody. Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 - CJA,-,RRP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CCC-91 TIME #66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1030 hoursp I May 1980. PAUSE Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention. Focus your attention of observation solely on David Roeder whose picture I have shown you. At this time locate David Roeder and describe his location to me. PAUSE 4-01 #08: Ok. This is~ this is moving rapidly over here. From the street there's a wall...5t 6, or 7 foot columns, and between the columns wrought iron grating ... it leads,to a yard. +02 Forefront to the yard from the street ... foliage ... like an unkept garden. Has a very strong impression of a window on the left. Street floor ... or call first floor, I guess. Window beyond-in back ... just behind the corridor... left is where he is. PAUSE +04 Get a very strong impression of a, of a peak entrance. Exaggerated image of a peak entrance...sort of gables to a roof. PAUSE I get in front of the wall-appears to be like shrubbery. PAUSE Posts,, columns rather with a roof over ... the left side is veryp very obscure. Like there was a big wall-it starts from the height of the wall and curves up like ... graft.... +06 plane. This is a .... get the impression of a similarly high wall in the back of the building. Getting to look like a corner bijilding...wall...shorter or the same height as in the front on the right side of the grates. PAUSE Approved For Release 2000/08/0B*1 =11P --'64788ROO210006000 1-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 NC7*-%#P9**&M8R002100060001-3 +08 #08: Got a street on the right side....spliLs into a "Y." Looks like a small domain in a very cluttered area. PAUSE Got an impression of an A roof with red tile ........ As if it were ..... a half a house coming from the left side of the wall ....... As if it were part of that. PAUSE #66: Focus in on David, and tell me about David. PAUSE +10 #08: Very, very small, narrow room ..... dark ................ 1, 1 got the impression of bars. I get the impression +11 of'a cell.. A prison cell. Very, very crude accommoda- tions. #66.: What's David's activity right now? +12 #08: Extremely depressed. Terrible sense of isolation. Kind of hunched over. I -think tie's been battered around.... as a -result of a personal antagonism of an individual. Hadn't been ordered or anything. No reason for it. +14 #66: Search the immediate area for others. #08. Can I stay a little longer? #66: Certainly. We have plenty of time. PAUSE #08- It's very desolate for him, but I think if he ....... well he knows he can hang on. (Mumbling) convinced he will get out of there eventually. PAUSE Impressions are really jumbled. The next impression is like a small cell block. I think he's part of an important +1B group. Maybe 8 or 9. You know, one of these silly groups that they take particular precautions with. Like terrist (phonetic)-as if they of special interest to them. #66: Tell me some of the raw data that makes you say these things, 2 Approved For Release 2000/0 Clk; 96-0 788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 "RU*' - &00784R002100060001-3 . ........... #06: It"sp it's bloody jail. I see bars, and I see wooden door5?eavy, heavy wooden doors with strapped steel an doors. Like in the old.... dungeon tale types. Old, musty. #66: Are there other individuals? #08: 1 get that impression of lem ..... 8 or 9 in there ...... and yet it's a small section of something. It's all crowded in by walls .... very narrow corridor. There's a terrible absence of light. #66: All right. At this time I'd like you to try to get a outside overhead perspective. #08: 1 was... the peak has something to do with telling me where it is. I...that first peak that jCtS Out Of that something, has something to do with telling me where this thing is. Like I say ... it's exaggerated. lt~s...ok .............. PAUSE The tall bald headed man is in there. I think right nex to lem. The closed in atmosphere is really controlled. See an impression of a... (mumbling) 5 .... 6 ..... short meZdium t built man ... little heavier than medium. The thing ther Is, is his hair is combed flat on his head across ...... Nas if to hide baldnessq you know. I think -the impression is that he is a military man, too, but he's not dressed up as one. I think I I m pushing it now. +24 #66: When you're ready move outside for an overhead shot. PAUSE #08: 1 want to stay a little bit longer. #66: All right. PAUSE +25 #08: Ok. Someone is trying to tell me there's straw. The mattress is straw, The pillow is straw. Conditions are poor, PAUSE 3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000108/ -="R002100060001-3 00~ g":- Mai 7T7____ 1 +27 #08: They were carried there by a.....closed ,..you know ..... one of these four-wheel Wasn't an official vehicle or anything. minute drive from where they were. They're away* #66: Away from what? in ..... like a V drive jobies ..... It was a 15-20 not that far #08: From where they were before ............ 0 ......... I think these are the people that were on the second floor of that building facing that ballfield. I'm pretty Sure. I think from the football field they would be immediately a..... no, not that immediately ...... I get the impression of' four long blocks away from where they were. It's not that far. Again, the peak ..... the peak is the answer to this thing ...... 'cause ........ #66: Elaborate on the peak. #06: 1 don't know .... it's to tell you where they're at .... I can't tell t +30 1 Is like this thing was an annex to this big building. ~,,__Thatls all. That's all. #66: All right. I have no further questions. Is there anything You'd like to add? #08: 1 don't know .... impression got more dis ...... as I went along ..... that's all. #66: Let's draw the impressions that you've had. #08. Ok. First impression was columns. Here is the fence. It's a 9 wrought fence ....... bars really. I'll give you some approximate dimensions because this looked like a damn prison thing, but it isn't. This was about .... right off the ground, maybe 2 and ~i, 3 feet, This was about the same measurements; maybe a little more... the height of the fence. So this is really ground level. I was in front here , on the street. Let's continue this a little bit, because it damn well stopped right about here. This wall was the same on the right side. About.the same height, but the peculiar thing is....about here ... and I don't know how to draw this ..... there was a wall ... the height of this column, 7 foot, and it kind of took off like a graft and it became very high. #66:. So on the left side of your drawing the wall -is a higher wall? Approved For Release 2000/08/08 ClA`-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : C~lA-Dnl54$tldl()hRwno9l0006OOOl-3 #08: Well, it starts off at the same height in the front, and then it sort of curves Lip. Like it's a very high wall. And, this high wall continues in the back ... I have to put the annex in here. This is a very high wali. I don't know. 15-20 feet...something.-this would be the corner ... keeps on this way. This is all brick. This is red brick, but actually it starts off this way and then goes like this. Something like that. You just have to put it in different perspective. And, what I found here ..... as if' this were aUached to this .... is like a small. annex of a building. Like this. Something like that. That would be the side... the right side really. Red tiles. I don't remember what's in front, but he was,--when ydd~Jirst asked me to spot him, I don't know-he was in this section here, ok #66: Maybe you can give me a separate picture of the annex. #08: I'm going to have to give you an overview of the annex. #66: That's got a peaked.roof. #08: Yeah. It was an A roof, and part of I ~P_ the wall, eventually. I,;kjust draw a rectangiZ~~on-thi- The second sketch ... so-Cch number 2. Ands just dea a that damn thing. T dle were about 8 or 9 laq~ Aee. r p ac And, where he was 'll.indicate that wit X. Roeder. #66: Yes. We can call~.bim Dav #08'. 1 was very, very .... whenI first got there it was like coming out of the Sun. It was very, very dark and dismal.....,waa a very primitive type cot over here, arid a little sing someplace around here. Then I was getting the impression that this window is barred with iron bars, if that needs to be said. I couldn't find iron bars in front. Say this was .a corridor ... what I found in front was a, a door.... I'm going to draw this separately ..... and it looked like something From the (mumbling) legends. #66: Ok. This is the ...... #08; The front door to the room. #66: Ok. Front door to the room versus front door to the #06: Oh. Establishment. I don't know. #66: Ok. This is a door to a room. rw-% Approved For Release 2000/08/68. -00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/G8,-:,CIA-RDP96--00788ROO2100060001-3 V!, #08-. They were all the same. #66: Not like you would expect to see a jail cell with all bars. #08: Where you would have all bars ..... what this ... thing that kept fascinating me was ... there was a steel piece of metal here-and there's sort of' a window here ..... and this was on huge hinges ..... not really like that ...... I don't know how to ..-to hell. And, I don't where the key slot was. #66: Ok. #08: BUtV this was heavy wood. Heavy, heavy old wood. He wasn't getting much light. This was, very very dismal and I found this in the other section .... and that damn peak kept coming back. #66: Now, tell me a bit more what you mean about peak. #08: Ok. Nowt this was .... like you would have a building.... and the building changed when this peak thing came in. Like -this would be an A roof, and in the A roof you would have ... uh...gable ... well, this Stuck out like crazy here. Arid, there were columns or something. This just simply stuck out from the building. #66: From the annex, itself? #08: From the annexe itself. #66: Ok. The annex seems t o stick out fromw 1 on the the left side ...... #08: This wash this was separate from this hing here dumb I got the impression this was trying 1 us where to t they actually werep as a point of recognition.Ok. This would be like an entryway ... let me extend obviate this this ... line ..... this was brick, huge brick, and this is one story and this appeared to be two stories. peak just This jutted out and it was exaggerated in my mind as if ..... #66: Ok. Now, let me see if I can recap feel I understand what I here. The drawing you've done in 3 necessarily is not the building where this guy is located, but it's like the key building. That Would tell us wheres located if he' we could find this building. 6 Approved For Release 2000/08/04 itidpl 002100060001-3 QPA Approved For Release 2000/0,Ft/nL ;=60)9 "IR 88R002100060001-3 #08: Yes. It's associated with this dumb,thing with the peak. -Inn' n #66; Ok, That's why you called the other building an,,ann, k Because itlo really not this building, but ..... ok. I understand -that. Fie's actually located in the building u Il di n~ IIding drawn in number 29 which is somewhat smaller building. Single story. #06. eah. And, this is hz-val:1i and this is a stupid little annex that jets out ... the right. 'This is accurate here. But, to try and locate itt I kept getting impressions of that dumb peak. #66: Ok. You're drawing kind of a T shaped building then, but ujith A shaped roofs. #08. Yeah. This would be the building and the peak would be jetting out prominantly enough.. Something like this. But, it's upen. Yeah. It's open underneath. It wasn't a T fashion. And, of course, the building is wider then the peak jet8,,oLjt,,_ buL it-,vas:,very prominant~l--___ #66: And, this building, again, is not the building where he #08: That's the key to the location. #66: That's the key to the location. #08. 1 think. I think. And, I [nay be forging too far ahead of myself, but I'm wanting to do this all right. I was trying to get an overview. #66: You had some sort of feeling of how they got there. #08: Yeah. I was trying to thing of a Chevy Bronco, a Dodge a .... whatever they call these-these four-wheel drive vehicles that are high off the ground. Uh ..... international harvester Lype-and I was trying to find out how long it took them to get where they weret and I got the impression of 20 minutes, and so on. I think this is when I sort of pushed and tried to find out-well where in the hell is this place...in respect to this building. I remember working at something like this. This would be the football fiel.d. This is a small 'two-story building, I think'this is where the were before. Andq this is the main building that led to the football. field. They are approximately ks away FroPi this place here in a very crowded area. 24 7 7T Approved For Release 2000/08/09": CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08M 4CNXW"_JQ%"-0rMn )jnnnA0001-3 ,kz17L:%J1 AL. if #66: Ok. You are talking about the compound area here, where you Found them before. Yes, y es. Cli 6 6 ': #66: All right. That you feel they are now off the compound. 3 . !5) #08: Yeah. Yes. I dont know. To the-left. lit 8. #66: And, maybe 1.5-20 minutes away. ( 0 ~de #0B: Not necessarily. There's 4 blocks. I think they rode them around a little bit. 'cause if you went there h td I thin directly, you could get there 10-15 minutes. But, I thin i they ... I don't know ... took a little bit longer ........ th #66: Ok. #08: Took a little bit longer to get there. #66: Ok. Now, by block ... YOU mean city block. #08: Yeah. Long blocks. If you've been in New York as to-.,/ opposed to short blocks. Long blocks. #66: Ok. Long blocks ... ok. Can you equate that to miles? #08: Old Brooklyn terminology.... long blocks and short blocks... long blocks are much longer than short blocks. #66-. Can YOU equate that to miles? Statute mile? #OB: I was trying to think of that and it's about 3 miles, roughly. The impression I got. But~~I was pushing it. I was really pushing it. #66: So, to you, the...you got a more comfortable saying 4 blocks than you do saying 3 miles. #08: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because this was almost part of an overview. It was an overview, and the distances would be very difficult to estimate. When I tried this,,that damn peak came back again, as if to say ... well I told you what it was. 7 Approved For Release 2ooo/uumury.,-cw-Rop%-'bO788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 I 11 TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved ForkEelease *00/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Jai Approved For Release 2000/08/0$-:-CIA-RDP-96-00788RO021000600,0,4.-3- OW Approved For Release 2000/08~hC, RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-n 1A Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RIDP96-00788ROO2100060-00-I.-3.- .7 7),4"-WA"jr mwf - um m Approved For Release 2000/08-108 CIA-RDP9t-00788RO02-100060001--~-3---,---,~,-, W. YA Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 13L % Approved For Release 2000/08/08 CIA-RDP96-(MT&8-RO02-IODGSGGG4-&----I Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 I I ~ TAB Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08:~: CiA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 TARGET CUING INFORMATION REMOTE VIEWING 010 SESSION CCC--91 1. The remote viewer has been exposed to open source news media inFor- mation as well as classified overhead imagery and photographs of many of the hostages. The viewer was briefed on the current status of the hOStage Situation and told that the whereabOLItS Of the hostages was not known. 2. (S) At the time of the session the viewer was asked to locate David Roeder. The viewer was asked to describe Roeder's location and determine if there were other hostage personnel in the area. The viewer was shown the attached photo so that he might be able to "beacon" on David Roeder. Approved For Release 20 SGFOIA3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3 Approved For Release 2000/08/08 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2100060001-3