Approved For Release 2001/0 DP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 3 October 1979 SUBJECT: Minutes of DOD Grill Flame committee Meetingr 25 September 1979 1. (u) meeting was held in DIA/DT Conference Roomr 0930 hours, 25 September 1979. 2. (U) Attendees: Se&Inclosure 1. SG1J 3. (U) distributed copies of the minutes of the 12 July 1979 DOD GRILL FLAME Committee Meeting. The minutes were approved after minor clarification of a couple of points. 4. (S) Old Business: a. Dr. Vorona informed the group that a DOD Science Advisory Board, chaired-by Manfred Gale, GS-18, DA, has been established to review the various GRILL FLAME Programs within DOD. Dr. Vorona reported that the committee would be meeting with him on 26 September 1979 and that he suspected that the committee would shortly visit all the DOD organizations involved in parapsychology. b. MAJ Stoner mentioned that he and Mr. Gale had visited with Dr. Jahn of Princeton and Dr. Lucky ofBell Labs. Dr. Jahn is still very much interested and involved in para- psychology--mainly interested in PK and-precognitive RV. 5. (S) New Business: a. Dr. Vorona requested that he be kept informed of ' various funding levels of the different GRILL FLAME elements. Dr. Vorona stated that Congressman Rose had erroneous impres- sion of funding that DOD had to support SRI efforts in this field but that he (Dr. Vorona) has straightened him out. Dr. Vorona will have the responsibility of keeping Congressman Rose up-to-date. MAJ Stoner indicated he will check on Army funding profile and let Dr. Vorona know what the level is. b. Dale Graff stated that he had updated the Intelligence Collection Requirements (ICR). See Inclosure 2. A, CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA DECLASSIFY ON: 25 Sep 99 EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6) Approved For Release 2001/03/07 cl _00788RO0200013106094--,@@ V_K'_ *R 9 ronu Approved For Release 20V WWWWVIMIP%-rNLJP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 SUBJECT: minutes of DOD Grill Flame committee Meeting, 25 September 1979 C. Dale Graff briefed the committee on FTD JR# 1-570- 0092-79. Basically report concerned ongoing research in parapsychology phenomena in the Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia and Rumania. See Inclosure 3. d. Mr. Graff briefed the committee about a session he attended in Madison, Wisonsin recently. Two youngsters from Japan tried to influence images on photographic film. Whole session was far too loose to verify demonstrations. Japanese government seems to be backing parapsychology movement although they have offered no official statements to that affect. e. Mr. Graff presented two articles on parapsychology to the group for their review. Inclosure 4 is an article by J. B. Hasted and D. Robertson entitled "The Detail of Paranormal Metal-Bending." Inclosure 5 is an article edited by William G. Roll entitled "Research in Parapsychology", 1978. . f. MAJ Stoner recommended two books for the committee to review. "The Divining Hand" - regarding dowsing. (1) (2) "Science and PSI"-by Carroll Nash, Thomas Publisher, 1979 SG1 H 9- reported is trying to put a SG1H program together ut that they have to proceed cautiously. Expect to have program of approximately 70K with SRI. He recommended to committee that they do the following: (1) Finalize a security guide. (2) Make documented. SG11 h. know abou possibPe comments early so will continue to other proposals. SRI protocol more requested committee topics for next thatproper agenda be held at present stringent and better members to let him meeting. Please forward can be arranged. Meetings location until there are i. Scotty Watt expressed his concern with the apparent lack of good security practices at,SRI. Recommended that committee look into possibility of providing SRI with a secure telephone hook-up. Charlie Carter mentioned that they (MIA) had tried to get a secure line for SRI and all attempts had failed. Approved For Release 2001/03/07 : CIA-IRDP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 40@ W@ gre Approved For Release 2001/mmin P96-00788ROO2000130009-8 SUBJECT: minutes of DOD Grill Flame committee meetingy 25 September 1979 j. Bill Jenkins (MIcom) presented an overview of their program concerning PK. All appears to be on track although protocol(s) are still being held in abeyance. $G11 k. stated that he was looking for people who can look inside of restricted spaces. Also, ones who can read a document or a message. 6. Vor a ex ressed the thanks of the committee _SG1J to for acting as recorder for the group. 7. (U) Next meeting will be Thursday, 8 November 1979 at 0930 hours. Meeting.was adjourned at 1220 hours. 5 Incl SG1 I 1. Attendees Committee WCo- 2. ICR FTD-5456 Committ hairman 3. ICR 1-570-0092- 79, Parapsychological Research 4. The Detail of Paranormal Metal-Bending 5. Research in Parapsychology Approved For Release 2001103/07 CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 Approved For Release 2001/03/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 SUBJECT: List of Attendees NAME ORGANIZATION Jack Vorona DIA/DT SG11 SG1J Dale Graff FTD/TQTR 3G11 scotty Watt HQ INSCOM ')G1H Bill Stoner OACSI/DAMI-ISH Bill Jenkins U.S. Army MICOM Charles Carter MIA TELEPHONE Approved For Release 2001/03/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788ROO2000130009-8 :I_- w C t I