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   DoD GRILL FLAME Committee
   1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
   2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 12 July 1979.
   3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure.
   4. (S/ORCON) The meeting began with an explanation of Dr. Vorona's
   SG1j absence from the gathering. Dr. Vorona was bri fin Con ressman Rose
   on DoD efforts and interest in parapsychology. has returned
   SGU to his position at the MIIA and as resumed his position at
   the DIA and will attend the meetings on a regular basis.
   5. (S/ORCON) Several members of the committee raised the question of
   the purpose of the committee and the possibility of the committee producing
   a product. While no general concensus was reached, the feeling of many
   members was that the committee serves as a point of contact between
   various agencies involved in exploring paranormal phenomenon and functions
   to coordinate these activities.
   6. (S/ORCON) The possibility of the group preparing an ICR was raised.
   Dale Graff volunteered that he had already produced an ICR and would send
   copies to the members.
   7. (S/ORCON) Several members of the group then raised the question of the
   relationship of the Steering Committee to the Working Group and the question
   of how the Steering Committee should be kept informed about the activities
   and progress of the group. It was related that each member bears the
   responsibility of keeping his respective member of the Steering Committee
   informed of the Working Group's activities.
   8. (C/ORCON) It was suggested that the group might compile a registry of
   scientists doing parapsychology research.
   9. (C/ORCON) The use of computer terminals to exchange data was ralsed.
   DIAOLS and COINS were mentioned.
   10. (C/ORCON) Another suggestion of a group project was to compile a
   complete registry of what each agency has done or is doing in the area.
   11. (U) Again, the question of the objectives of the group was raised.
   SG11 12. (S/ORCON) discussed the draft of a recently completed
   SG1 I report by on the protocol for RV experiments.
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  13. (C/ORCON) then discussed methods for reviewing RV.data.
  14 (S/ORCON) Bill Stoner then discussed 'several briefings. These inc luded
  th@ Army briefing the SecDef, the Under Secretary of the Army briefing
  Congressman Rose and Maj Stoner briefing the IC Staff.
  15. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona arrived to attend the afternoon portion of the
  meeting. He reiterated that each member has the responsibility of
  informing his superior on the Steering Committee of the Working Group's
  activities. He agreed that more extensive minutes with a synop@sis of
  the talks and presentations was a working goal and should be accomplished
  whenever possible.
  16. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then discussed his briefing Congressmen Rose and
  Young. They were primarily interested in the funding of such projects
  within the DoD.
  17. (C/ORCON) A discussion was then held on sending contract researchers
  to report on ifiternational meetings and the extent to which this may
  involve a conflict of interest.
  18. (C/ORCON) Dale Graff reported to the group that the Japanese student
  who effects photographic film is to visit.the US.
  19. (C/ORCON) The use of technically trained vs. non-teclinically trained
  viewers was discussed.
  SG11 20. (S/ORCON) interest in the unique ability
  of some crypt analysts to es but not be able to explain exactly
  how they did it.
                            Respectfully submitted
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John W. Kramar
Albert A. DeProspero
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