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1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
2. (U) Time and Date: 0915 hours, 3 Play 1979.
3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure.
4. .(U) Dr. Vorona welcomed the CIA representatives to the meeting.
5. (S) Mr. Graff.briefed the.Committee on the FTD Special Search project,
"HAVE STAR," wherein remote viewing (RV) was used. He provided background
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'the program, information on the protocal developed for this project, and
the results.
6. (S) Mr. Kramar reviewed the RV program currently ongoing in AMSAA.
Copies of.the.AMSSA experimental protocal were given to the Committee
members with a request that comments be sent to Mr. Kramar.
7. (C) A discussion of the Army Surgeon General Human Use Review Board
then followed. The Board c.oncluded.that remote viewing is a technology
transfer process and therefore not a human use issue.
8. (C) Also brought up for discussion was the ORCON caveat. This will be
applied only to RV project viewers and sources.
9. (S) MaJ Watt briefed the.Committ.ee on INSCOM RV activities, which
.involved criteria developed for the selection.of sources/viewers,
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10. (S) Mr. Carter briefed the Committee on efforts at Redstone Arsenal to
develop a 12-month program to remotely affect a random process. An over-
sight committee has. been establAshed and a draft protocal developed.
11. (U) Mr. Kralmar reiterated the necessity to follow HEW and Do -D guidelines
for human use.
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12. (S) reviewed CIA activities in RV. Actions now pendirvg
includ ana ysis of medical data from SRI contract work and the
finalization of a report which will-provide an as-sessment of nine
laboratories engaged in RV experiments.
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SG1 B 13. (S) Dlans to send out a proposal to look at enigmas of
include such problems into the STIC Enigma Panel and
invite others of the Community to participate in the program.
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     SG1116. (S) informed the Committee that the National Security Council
 feels t a wor in RV and other related areas may be a potential privacy
 act issue and wants the White House legal staff to review US RV research.
                             SG1 1 17. (S) is NJOV4
   working toward developing a training and selection program for individuals
 with psychic abilities.
 18. (U) Mr. Graff briefed the Committee on a Freedom of Information Act
 (FOIA) request for release of the DIA product, "Paraphysics R&D - Warsaw
 Pact." He discussed options and the necessity to upgrade classification
 of some paragraphs.
 (U) Yu. Gulyayev has been elected to the Soviet Academy of Sciences
 and may initiate an information exchange with the US in paraphysics.
 20. (U) Dr. Vorona.handed out a proposed press release explaining DoD
 participation in paraphysics, and asked for comments by the next
 meeting.
 21 (U) The Committee*members agreed that it would meet every other month
 on the second Thursday of that month. The next meeting is scheduled for
 12 July 1979.
 22. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1100 hours.
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ATTENDEES
Dr. Jack Vorona, DIA/DT
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Mr. Charles Carter, MIA
Col Albert DeProspero, AMSAA
Mr. Dale Graff, FTD/TQTR
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Mr. John Kramar, AMSAA
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Maj Bill Stoner, OACSI
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Maj Murray Watt, INSCOM
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