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          DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
                          US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
                            FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755
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          MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
          13 June 1979
          SUBJECT: Meeting with Under Secretary of the Army, 12 June 1979
          1. (U) Purpose: This MFR outlines the significant topics
          that were discussed during the meeting with Dr. Walter D.
          LaBerge, Under Secretary of the Army, 12 June 1979. The meeting
          was scheduled to provide Dr. LaBerge with an update concerning
          the status of the GRILL FLAME Program as being carried out by
          various Army elements.
          2. (S) Following individuals were present:
          Dr. LaBerge - Under Secretary of the Army
          Mr. Kramar - GRILL FLAME Project Officer, AMSAA
          Mr. Phillips - AMSAA
          MAJ Stoner - OACSI
          MAJ Watt - GRILL FLAME Project Manager, INSCOM
          Two members of INSCOM GRILL FLA14E Staff
          Staff official from Dr. LaBerge's Office
          Representatives from MIA were unable to attend the meeting.
          3. (S) Dr. LaBerge opened the meeting by expressing his views
          concerning the GRILL FLAME Project. He stressed that he was
          vitally interested in progress that was being made; how others
          felt about Remote Viewing (RV) as they gained exposure to it;
          how his involvement was or was not impacting on the various pro-
          grams; and, finally, he made it very clear that the project had
          his support and expressed to everyone that he was prepared to
          help us in any way that he could. Dr. LaBerge wants everyone to
          continue looking objectively at all aspects of their respective
          programs and not to be concerned about making hard decisions
          until all avenues have been explored.
          CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA
          DECLASSIFY ON: 30 Jun 99
          EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA
          REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6)
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           SUBJECT: meeting with Under Secretary of the Army, 12 Jun 79
           4. (U) AMSAA and INSCOM personnel presented very brief
           updates as to the progress they were making with their
           respective programs.
           5. (S) Dr. LaBerge was very anxious to understand how the
           training was going at SRI. Two of the individuals who have
           been through the training cycle at SRI summarized how, they
           felt about the training. They were very positive in making
           their reports. Dr. LaBerge was especially interested in how
           they felt about the program and any impact it might be having
           on them.
           6. (S) I made the offer to Dr. LaBerge that we would like
           him to try Remote Viewing and that we would gladly provide
           the Interviewer and the target for the day. He felt that
           would be a nice approach and we will attempt to set something
           up in the near future.
           MUR Y WATT
           MUR Y
           Major.
           Major, I
           INSCOM GRILL FLAME
           Project Manager
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         12 June 1979
         UPDATE BRIEFING:
              1. Since late March briefly: (Realize several informals)
         a. 2 sessions
         b. Now - 50 sessions
         2. Late March - Mid May
         a. Training familiarization
         b. 13 May - lst individual to SRI
         3. SRI Training
         a. Total of 3 complete initial cycle
         b. 1 individual now undergoing
         C. my visit.
         d. Results -
         (1) No written reports.
         (2) Feedback very positive.
         4. Training Problems
         a. Environment
         b. Emotional problems/attidue of-the-day
         c. Work related situation
         d. Availability
         e. Frequency
         5. Evaluation of Data - see chart
                    6. Immediate Plans: June-September cycle
                        a. Finish SRI cycle - mid August
         b. Intensify local training, include coord
         C. Possibly reduce number of viewers
         7. Future:
         a. Program Assets Properly
         b. Intel into cycle
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